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If you do not apply some sort of (proven) cleaning agent to your hair on a reasonably frequent basis, i dont care how in touch with nature and your primal self you are, you stink. If you dont want to deal with the maintenance cut it off, rocking the wrecking ball aesthetic is pretty great actually.
The no-poo (no shampoo) movement is very real and definitely works for many people (dependant on hair type and oil secretions). Basically, once you stop washing away your natural oils daily, the production normalizes and then a regular rinse with water and occasionally something like diluted soap, lemon juice or apple cider vinegar.
I've met them, I was one, I know them. You wouldn't know unless they told you.
i.e. some sort of (proven) cleaning agent
By occasionally, they mean once a month at most.
Hair only stinks if you get crap in it.
Like... oils and dander?
What's next, not washing your sheets because body soil is natural?
Uhm, no? That's quite a leap you made there.
For a normal human with no health problems affecting their oil production/smell, if you aren't using shampoo/conditioner to constantly strip the oils from your hair, you very quickly stop overproducing oil.
Bedsheets and pillows should still be washed regularly, since they definitely get covered in excess skin oils/grime/etc.
But as long as you are caring for your hair in other ways like brushing daily and keeping it away from food/grease/mud/etc, using soap isn't necessary unless you actually soil it - rinsing is enough to get rid of sweat buildup.
Obviously, if you are working something like a trade job, its not possible to avoid debris, grime and other things and you need to wash your hair more, but an office job? Retail? Just brush and rinse regularly, and your hair will smell and look just fine.
What's next, stop wiping your butt because poop is natural?
Fuck off troll.
"That person didn't respond to me in a serious manner. Troll! TROLL!!!"
That's what a troll is, yeah. You ignored everything they said and then you repeated your boring joke ("whats next... some stupid false equivalency?") without addressing what they said about shampooing hair. It's like your whataboutism is indeed trolling.
What's next, pee pee poo poo pee pee?
Oh my sides, so funny
I demand a serious response, troll! Clearly it wasn't funny, but your response was sarcastic. Clearly this is trolling!
No, you! Clearly!
what next, start eating shit to completely digest the nutrients???
not washing sheets is bad because they collect and hold body oils. Like your hair if you don't wash it either.
Which is why most people here are saying to wash your hair regularly...
Likewise, you probably don't need super aggressive detergent to clean your sheets, you could probably just get away with using steam alone, though you might want some detergent or surfactant for obvious reasons.
Okay, but it's important for everyone elseto know that they aren't going years without using a cleaning agent like wild animals.
You ever smell an animal's fur? It's not great.
My cats smell just fine. The dog on the other hand...
True, but you aren't a cat. You're an ape.
How do you think an ape smells?
With their nose.
An unwashed ape. Probably an odor only another unwashed ape would love.
This is a negatively loaded non argument. You're just making the assumption that apes smell bad, but do you actually know that?
If you are brushing them often, feeding them good food, and not letting your dog roll in everything, they smell a lot better.
That being said, animals in general do have stronger smelling oils than humans - often for some evolutionarily advantageous reasons.
i think part of it is also that humans have evolved to be scent neutral (to our sense of smell), whereas dogs and other animals, obviously benefit from having some smell to them.
Though you would think maybe the smell gene would've died in humans? Maybe it has.
On the other hand, dogs don't sweat.
And sweat rinses off quite easily.
What about sweat that's been in your hair for 12+ hours? Growing things.
well it's either wet, which means you should shower, because otherwise that shits going to be really annoying, or it's dry, and it's probably not a big deal anymore. Once you shower that shit is getting cleaned off properly anyway.
Just so we're clear here, sweat is supposed to provide life to bacteria, that's why it stinks.
If you don't use some kind of cleansing agent the bacteria is still there.
It doesn't have to be shampoo, lemon juice/vinegar/rain water can kill bacteria because they're acidic, certain scented and essential oils as well are antimicrobial.
The facts don't change, though. You can't just rinse your hair with tap water for a year and expect nothing to grow in it.
i mean sure, but there's shit that grows all over you constantly, there's shit that grows under your fingernails. For the longest time in humanity hair just existed, and it doesn't seem to have ever been a significant source of health problems.
Even if you wash and shampoo your hair you would still expect shit to be growing in it, though living in it is the more accurate terminology.
Yeah, and then you wash the shit that grows on you off with some kind of cleanser. Otherwise it just keeps growing and makes you stink, and sometimes bad stuff grows in there and makes you unhealthy and itchy.
And for the longest time humanity was kinda stinky. It's normal for animals to smell. Then we figured out how to wash with oils and captured rain water and acidic fruit juices and such, and realized we didn't have to stink.
I'm not going back.
yeah, but my point here is that it's not gonna kill someone. It may be socially taboo in some respects, but there are most certainly worse things one can be doing with their personal hygiene.
Okay, but my point was they aren’t actually going years without using a cleaning agent. They're using acidic and/or oil based disinfecting cleansers on occasion, because they're not feral. For some reason y'all keep arguing with me about that?
i wonder how true this is throughout society. Probably more true in some places rather than others. Europeans for a while didn't bathe very regularly at all.
Like as far as i can tell, the most significant effect bathing has is that it reduces the spread of disease, and gets rid of dirt build up.
Bathing with cleansers also reduces the instance of fungal and bacterial growth which causes dandruff and acne, which are caused by the immune system responding to the shit growing on your skin. Hence, no-poo still involves other types of cleansers.
If your sweat is growing things in 12 hours, you need a doctor or an exorcist.
Remember, many indigenous people across the world used steam to bath, as the steam and new sweat rinsed off the old sweat quite effectively.
Moisture+Oil+Dead Skin=Bacterial Growth.
Full stop.
Which is why y'all are occasionally washing with lemon juice or vinegar or certain oils, because that actually disinfects.
The only people saying you should use shampoo daily are the shampoo makers. Most people can get away with once a week.
You can also clean your hair with conditioner or even rose water in between instead of soaps or vinegar. See the curlygirl subreddit for details about safer hair products that won't mess up curl patterns
You all smell, sorry.
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i think you might be confusing the idea of "artifical smells" with "natural human scent" where as humans normally smell like "nothing"
as a chronic non scented user, because i hate smelling like things, i would annoy the shit out of you.
this isn't even remotely true, you still have to brush it, tie it off, and wash it out properly, all of which takes a lot of time. You can't not do that.
Literally the only reason i ever stink is because my clothes aren't clean (i sweat like a motherfucker) or i genuinely just haven't showered in like a week.
i have a very sensitive nose, and let me tell you i have not met a single person who says of themselves they don't smell and actually don't, they absolutely do. We are just used to our own and dont register it unless it gets intense.
I'm not saying you should bathe in perfume or obsessively rinse your scalp with bleach, just that if people go several days without using soap on themselves I 100% always smell them. For hair it isn't much different.
are you talking about scented or scentless soap? You're probably just smelling the soap itself.
There is also a difference between "smells just a tinge bit stinky" and "i can smell you from here dog" if it's the former it probably doesn't make the cut as "stank"
I have a very sensitive nose too, described as that of a dog by my sister, and it's not that people not using shampoo smell worse, it's that they smell of sebum and pheromones and all that stuff, which I don't mind. I smell more like an animal, and I love animals.
A few years ago I had to stay inside a lot, so I tried showering without soap on my body too, and it does seem to work better for longer than using soap, but it's less convenient and sort of less reliable I find, so I use soap again on the three key areas. My hair though, I just use water to wash. My girlfriend tried to argue with me once that I needed shampoo and she just looked it up briefly and said "I was wrong!"