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I believed that too, until Elevatorgate and the "Dear Muslima" letter from Dawkins showed me otherwise.
yep, the elevatorgate was the start of me going wtf
The reactionary rage against even the idea of "Atheism+" damned the New Atheist moment for me. Perish the thought that atheism as a movement actually try to improve society somewhat. No! The purpose of atheism is a sense of superiority against those impoverished, ignorant, superstitious fools! Atheism is cruise control for smartness and total immunity to being tricked or conned!
This. Same thing i went through. Eventually i asked what's the point? And for nu atheism the only point was watching Hitchens epically own some nobody with Oxford debate shit on Youtube. I started looking at humanism - but all they cared about was stories about "they're making my kids say god in the pledge of allegiance" or "some southern city is building a ten commandments monument!" No movement that isn't explicitly left wing can ever even imagine the possiblity of a better world*
*actually Sam Harris thinks he's imagining a better world, but its through genocide, holy wars, and phrenology.
Sam Harris' cult is so fucked up that they see a "better" world as a vulgar deterministic panopticon of cishet white techbros lording over whatever remnant of the rest of humanity they haven't outright annihilated yet.
Its no wonder that Sam Harris was Dave Rubin's first guest, and was Joe Rigan's original "smart guy guest". He is the ultimate dumb guys intellectual. Like he knows absolutely nothing about anything he talks about.
That's why everything is a "thought experiment." He doesn't know anything outside of his own thoughts
He's a quack and always has been. Even his doctorate was effectively bought with his parents' money, making a foundation that only existed long enough to award him the doctorate. He doesn't do peer reviewed papers; he just makes shit up and his credulous Reddit New Atheist rube followers believe it.
https://rhizzone.net/articles/sam-harris-fraud/
Hell yeah. Theres so much wrong with Harris it needs a part two
When Sam Harris said that "there was more scientific advancement in a single zip code of New York than in all the history of Islam" I knew instantly what a fucking hack he was. Those aren't even directly comparable concepts and one is measured geographically and the other in a much more vague and nebulous form!
That comparison doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Also, no one in any New York zip code invented algebra or chemistry so even with his premise its still wrong lol