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It's a situation that I have been expecting for a while, but I wasn't fully ready to accept it. Specifically it's one of my LGBTQ friends who honestly believes in the democrats will protect them and their partner. I have tried to make the point that both parties are eroding any sort of civility towards all marginalized groups, but fear seems to drive them more than logical observations. They make the excuse that change doesn't happen over night and that the left continues to grow and will have meaningful affects down the road. I fundamentally just don't agree with that idea and vocalize it regularly. More and more it is ending up in a circular argument where I am painted as unrealistic and my rhetoric (leftist rhetoric) is doing more harm than good because it promotes distrust in the only system we have to work with. I try to tell them it's kind of the whole point. We gotta start somewhere if we want to see a better, more representative system, but they are so hung up on the immediate future while simultaneously saying that my idealistic feelings are shortsighted and I cant expect change in the immediate future... The double-talk is wild, I know.

I am trying my hardest to stop from engaging at this point because on the most basic level we agree on a lot of stuff, but they are just way to wrapped up in the fear mongering of the democratic party. They know that the two party system is broken, they know that something drastic needs to change, but they also think that they are powerless to do anything except choose the lesser evil. It pains me because I am watching them do the same shit past generations have done, where they give up on their ideals for the sake of preserving the current status quo that they benefit from. I am legitimately watching them imply "fuck you, got mine" under the guise of civic duty and I hate it. I want nothing more than to be able to finally say "I told you so" without being a smug asshole about it and ruining our friendship.

Thanks for reading my rant. It's probably a bit disjointed, but the frustration is boiling over and I needed to vent to the only group of people that seems to understand the hopelessness of being a disenfranchised leftist.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

fuckin a... I have very similar conversations over here too. Victim blaming the disenfranchised and touting an aura of superiority over the "dumb magas"

i die a little inside when people try to absolve Kamala of the crimes of Joe... I tried to make the point that her being a part of the administration means she supports it, there is no nuance imo.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Like you could make some sort of argument that she could be partially absolved... If she did ANYTHING to indicate her resistance. She could trash bidens policies publicly. She could speak via the media directly to Bibi and say that once she's elected she'll immediate stop all shipments. She could illegal-to-say the entire white House.

She doesn't so she's chill with it and gets no absolution.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That is my view as well. The only reason she is toeing the line is for the sake of the party, which in itself is part of the fucking problem!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

In the end I do not care her reasons for it. Materially she support killing every Palestinian. If she wants absolution whether due to feeling a glint of humanity or merely to win the election is immaterial. But she'd have to indeed go against the party as you say