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"We Have Lost All Credibility”: Hala Rharrit on Quitting State Dept. & Ending U.S. Complicity in Gaza
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I really want to know what the actual reason is that we're so boneheaded, so obstinate, so relentless in our "support" for Isreal no matter how fucking crazy they get...
Is it really just more money for defense contractors? It's it really fear of AIPAC? Is it even more fucking absurd and we have actual Christian dominionists trying to bring Armageddon whether it's the Democrats or Republicans?
I just don't understand it...
tldr: the US is still supporting Israel is because Israel has historically been extremely beneficial to US interests.
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The reason is that Israel has been a steadfast ally in advancing and defending us interests for half a century, and there is no one else in the Middle East who could play that role half as effectively or reliably.
there was zero chance of the US immediately cutting off aid after 50 years of aid, especially while dozens of other countries have also been providing aid and are still providing aid to Israel.
that was never an option and should not have been an expectation from the public, who only has that expectation because most people have only recently learned about the Palestinian invasion by Israel that's been happening for over half a century.
One year is not much time internationally or diplomatically. it's not much time for intelligence agencies to determine what is happening, especially in the fog of war, and it isn't much time for effects of actions to be seen, no matter what actions are taken.
in israel, The US has an attack dog to deal with US enemies in the Middle East, and now the attack dog has broken its leash and isn't responding to commands. Netanyahu is aging, centralized power, and is acting literally insane.
while I have been loyal, this completely separate nation has saliently chosen to have been loyal, although they were and are under no obligation to be loyal to the demands of the United States, as is now being seen.
it's only been one year, and regardless of what you hear, diplomatically the US is continually trying different tactics to stem the violent efforts of a nation with plenty of resources that has no obligation to listen to the US other than continued financial support, that it has plenty of already and has many other sources of aid.
So to counter basically your whole point: You know how Reagan stopped the Israeli bombing of Beirut in 20 minutes with a phone call in 1982? That's how someone who actually wants Israel to stop does it. Biden isn't stopping them because he doesn't want to, not because his administration is "diplomatically the US is continually trying different tactics to stem the violent efforts of a nation...".
Don't defend genocide support, it's not a good look.
How? At least militarily they've only ever been a liability.
Tell that to the crew of the USS Liberty.
Those other dozen countries are only doing because they follow the USs lead. And maybe Germany being hysterical about it instead of learning from its past, that never again must mean never again for everyone..
what a load of crap. Israel almost always has right wing leadership and those leaders run far more billboards celebrating their relationship with Putin that with the US. We have no operational bases there. They havent participated in any of our military conflicts. They are not an extension of US power. If they were, we have operations happening out of there.
The worst stuff in the world always comes down to money, power, and bigotry.
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That's not a point of view singular to the military. It's a pretty stock conservative take.
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Pretty sure OP is asking why the US gov relentlessly supports the genocide, not maga morons.
They did address that point.
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To add on to what others have already said, Israel also supplies the US with a lot of advanced technology and biotechnology. All the cellbrite scanners used to hack into phones come from them, medical equipment like sleep study equipment, drugs, and other things.
Although it seems an area that would be good to just bring in house for national defense in the event a partner nation goes rogue.
We should never have given any of that responsibility to a non NATO country in the first place. We've been tied to this country by lobbyists.
Yeah, it always seemed like a lazy republicapitalist move. Why ever sell out so much security to a vague third party. They have smart people, mad respect to their engineers. No question. But national security being sold to a third party seems like nation-state safety 101.
It's a sense of guilt about the Holocaust and a complete failure to realize that nations are as individuals. A victim can become a victimizer; an abused can become an abuser.
Quite easy really:
In the past they were a strategic counter against the islamic regimes aligned with the USSR & Today they are a strategic counter against Iran
Allowing Iran to destroy Israel and having them expand their influence in the region is considered worse
Also don't we have large weapon caches there?
Numbers 2 and 3. Israel is lucrative, but not "Piss off numerous other customers" lucrative.
It's pretty simple.
There is an election in November and noone wants to anger the power AIPAC lobby or Jewish voters.
theres about 7.5 jewish voters split between republicans and dems. Theres about 3.7 arab american voters which are part of the 4.45 million muslim voters. Jews arent a voting block of a size to be overly concerned about. And the dems probably lose more votes supporting israel than they gain. So this is about money, not votes.
Fair enough. Didn't realise there were so many Arab voters.
I agree. It is about money.
AIPAC is very well funded and powerful.