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Bernie Sanders to voters skipping presidential election over Israel: ‘Trump is even worse’
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The trolley problem is bullshit. You're using bullshit to rationalise accepting the deaths of innocent people.
The trolley problem - specifically the version where you must push one fat guy to save five others - requires a Descartesian 'Evil demon' to perfectly produce the reality of, or appearance of, a contrived situation wherein you are forced to be responsible for the murderous actions of another.
This situation explicitly creates an either/or situation, as if the only way to save people in America is to let brown people in another country die.
Source: medium
I am not, in reality, forced to be complicit in a political system where it has been decided that we must murder some of the innocent in order to protect more of the innocent. Anyone trying to force me to think that way is either malicious or deluded, and at the very least believes in a shit thought experiment which has nothing to do with real-life moral decisions.
Hint: there is only one right answer, and that is you agree that killing innocent people is wrong, so do not support killing innocent people. That's how morality works. Or do you need a trolley to come towards you and your family while you are all strapped to the tracks before you realise it?
Nobody is "accepting the deaths", they are acknowledging the reality of the situation that significantly more people will die through inaction than action.
No one is saying "Vote and then wash your hands of it." Genocide is wrong so you need to do everything you can to prevent it. One of those things is vote, but it is not the only thing. You vote, and you continue to pressure the government to stop assisting in genocide.
Okay, but I can't.
So you encourage other people not to and pretend to be helping while in reality making things worse.
I say that killing people is wrong. If that's not acceptable to you, that's fine. I clearly live in a world where killing innocent people is seen as convenient.
Not what I said at all, but thank you for making it clear that you aren't interested in actually having a conversation because you don't bother to listen to what other people say. You just assume the other person said something you can disagree with.
Great conversational skills. Good bye.
So you're not actively trying to convince people not to vote for Harris?
If saying that killing innocent people is wrong convinces people to not vote for Harris, then Harris is probably not a very good candidate.
I'm actively trying to convince people to find a way to not kill innocent people. I hate the fact that this is happening, and it makes me want to die.
You are going into threads about Harris saying "but killing innocent people is wrong."
"I'm not saying don't vote for Harris, I am just inserting the suggestion into conversations about Harris, then claiming you came to that conclusion on your own."
For someone who claims to have strong convictions you sure have a hard time actually standing up for and defending what you are saying. Any pushback and it quickly becomes wishy washy bullshit.
I'm saying that killing people is wrong. If you showed me Harris had committed to holding Israel accountable and creating a ceasefire, I would be a big fan. It's not hard to be better than Trump or the Republican party, they're odious.
You can't blame me for my perception that the Democratic party is aiding Israel by sending them weapons. You can blame me for caring about the lives of innocent people, though.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/25/politics/harris-netanyahu-israel-hamas-ceasefire/index.html