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So I overheard one person I know telling another person I know that "socialism and communism are evil and the church is very clear on that" (referring to the catholic church). And I'm trying to channel my burning frustration about it into asking what people know about communism and how it has interacted with religion more generally, but also catholicism especially, now or historically. I super hard doubt what this person said was even remotely correct, but I could believe that the catholic church takes a wishy washy fence-sitting stance because it tends to on a number of things.

At any rate, it's something I should know better because I do have catholic people in my life and so sometimes there may be a need to talk to them about these things through the framing of religion to get past the "communism is purely atheistic" type thinking.

Answers from your own knowledge or resources that go into it are both welcomed. I don't really know how to approach looking for it on my own in this instance because a lot of western religious material is probably influenced by colonizer thinking, or in the US, influenced by red scare nonsense.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

do you have a list of non-reactionary organized religions?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I mean I kinda do yes

The Diggers

The Breathren of the Free Earth

whatever movement Óscar Romero was

two overlapping revolutions had taken place simultaneously: a political and a pagan revolution

Muslim socialism and Labour Zionism (i.e. kibbutzim)

The thing that Jesus preached

possibly the Hussites

That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Labour Zionism

They asked for non-reactionary ones. Zionism of any sort is inherently reactionary.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

the Yishuv and the Palestinians got along fine for thousands of years

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Cause they weren't Zionists.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

so, nothing with modern political power or prominence in their clade.