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Why don't the primaries in 2016 and 2020 count? Just curious, asking in good faith.
In 2016, Clinton paid off the DNC's debts and became it's only financial lifeline, for which DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz abdicated control of party to Clinton's team long before she secured the nomination,, the AP controversially called the primary for Hillary just before California voted, giving voters the impression the primary was over before voting finished, and the DNC later argued in court that they had no obligation give Bernie a fair, democratic primary.
In 2020, Obama worked behind the scenes to get the other moderates to drop out and back Biden, and Representatives Ford and Smith admitted the party did coalesce around Biden in 2020 to block Bernie.
TL:DR: 2016 was meant to be a Clinton coronation with no real challengers, and they had to kneecap Bernie when he got in the way. 2020 was an open, fair election between everyone that wasn't named Sanders, and they had to kneecap Bernie when he got in the way.
You screwed up your closing parentheses on the first link. Just a heads up.
Thanks for the heads up, it's fixed.
For one they did not, at all, care for the results of the votes. Like in 2016 they just used Superdelegates to invalidate all the races Clinton had lost.
They did no such thing. Fuck's sake. We lost by some 10% points, against Hillary fucking Clinton. This idea that the better candidate will automatically be the more popular one is some utter fucking delusion I keep seeing from the left.
I voted for Bernie twice. I would vote for him again in a heartbeat, age and all. That's not the same as peddling "The DNC STOLE the primary from us!"
At the very, very least, they are guilty of lopsided financial support and advertising dollars behind each candidate. The rest is largely supposition, though certainly COULD be true. Sometimes it's easier to accept that than that the other voters are dumb. I have no idea which is actually true
I mean, even if you look at third party polling in the 2016 primaries, you get largely the same results. The DNC was unfair to Bernie - but at the same time, it is the primary voters who failed him.
Explain West Virginia.
West Virginia, where Clinton is the literal devil even amongst Democrats? Where the Obama administration was reviled, even amongst Democrats, and Clinton was still heavily associated with the Obama administration?
Do you... do you think West Virginia is more socialist inclined? More progressive inclined?
I spent most of my life growing up next door to West Virginia. West Virginia was a literal, not figurative, stone's throw from my hometown. I know a lot of West Virginians.
WV going for Bernie in the 2016 primary doesn't say what you think it does.
Okay Mr. Smarty-pants, explain why I'm so sad that Bernie lost twice then!
.... 😭
Because few things are as crushing as knowing your fellow voters are dumb as shit.
Stupid fellow voters... Stupid democracy... Stupid freedom...
Thank goodness we don't have to worry about that nonsense anymore...
Stupid voters can only fuck us once per election. Stupid authoritarian rulers can fuck us every day of our lives, until the regime itself collapses.
Well, that's comforting...
Yeah.
Stone cold fact Bernie would have won in 2016 and we wouldn't be on this stupid timeline
Quite probably, yeah. But to win the general, you either have to win a primary or come out with massive support outside of the two parties.
Wets Virginia where Bernie won every single county and yet was overruled via Superdelegates and given to Clinton.
https://ballotpedia.org/Superdelegates_from_West_Virginia,_2016
"Overruled via Superdelegates and given to Clinton"
Oh, okay, so you don't know what Superdelegates are. Unsurprising.
Using the superdelegates to call the race for Hillary the night before the California primary, He's in the superdelegates in West Virginia and other states. Doing everything they could to stop Bernie. Watch this clip: https://youtu.be/QGuVDz_88po
Not to mention the fact that we know the DNC was having their media outlets run interference on the Sanders campaign, painting him as a crazy left socialist to scare off the moderates, when in reality the majority of Americans approve of his campaign's policies even more than the Dems' or Repubs'.
NPR would refuse to say his name, it was always "Hilary Clinton, and the Vermont senator". Cokie Roberts was a Wellesley alumn.
This video is blocked in my country. Girl another source ?
Try this one. Skip to the 3:40 mark
https://youtu.be/MVnIatb7iVI
In 2020, after the moderates realized that a progressive might win, they coalesced around a single moderate candidate.
The progressives did not respond in kind.
The progressives then lost the primary.
Yeah everyone forgets their heroine Elizabeth Warren felt it was a good idea to talk shit about Bernie every chance she got and further reduced his chances by dropping out last minute.
Here's how the media treated Bernie: https://youtu.be/3ZhkKATtqtU
You mean when we lost by some 10% in the vote against Hillary fucking Clinton, a legendarily unpopular politician, with even socialist-hostile West Virginia protest-voting for Bernie over Clinton?
"But the DNC tipped the scales by showing favoritism", yes, they wanted a coronation, but it didn't come down to a handful of voters who were swayed by fucking DWS, it came down to Bernie not being able to overcome the long-standing nominee who had been building a ground game for her presidential run for... 16 years? Arguably more?
Bernie threw his hat into the ring as a protest, not expecting to gain much support. He had to build an apparatus from the ground up in a matter of months. That he got within 10% of Clinton is a miracle and a showing of the strength of Bernie's position - but also not a loss attributable to the sinister DNC mind-controlling millions of voters.
I would count media manipulation and advance debate questions as sinister mind control.
Weird that you didn't feel the need to include this in your original answer, isn't it?
Lord.
There was a primary in 2024 that Biden won as well. The DNC doesn’t need to spend much money on an incumbent’s campaign. It’s up to the voters to research their alternatives and vote in the primary. That doesn’t make it less fair, but suggests that US citizens are lazy or disengaged.
If the DNC give no alternatives to vote for then it's not on the voters.