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TURKEY POWER (mander.xyz)

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[+] [email protected] -19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

2.5 Million Turkeys... and 500-1500 cubic meters of impossible to store basically forever radioactive nuclear (LILW) waste😋😋😋

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

1500 cubic meters

Did you really pick the figure from the RBMK reactor type?

For PWRs, 250 m³ of LILW per GW annum is 28.5 m³ of LILW per TWh.

2.5 million turkeys in a 2.4 kW oven for 3.5 hours uses 0.021 TWh.

So 2.5 million turkeys and 0.6 m³ total low and intermediate wastes generated. Most of this can be released after ~300 years with negligible activity over natural background. That is a long time but not "basically forever".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm not sure where they got those numbers.

All nuclear waste produced to date isn't 500-1500 cubic meters.

As to storage. Just bury it again. We dug it up, we can bury it. There are a few places that are currently doing just that.

Or, here a wild idea. Just burn the waste. It's something like 90% unburned fuel, just reprocess it and burn it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just burn the waste

Wouldn't that like... eradiate our whole fucking atmosphere? O.o

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They're talking about recycling the fuel and putting it back into the reactors. Unfortunately it's cheaper to mine fresh fuel than to reprocess used fuel ... as long as you just ignore the waste problem.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

Well, any waste problem is a hell of a lot better than what we're doing to the atmosphere.

Coal should be illegal now.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The source for that number is the International Atomic Energy Agency aka the nuclear control agency. As for the rest of your ideas, its sadly not that easy. It has to be stored somewhere where it cant contaminate the environment, water cant get to it, tectonics are stable, etc. No permanent storage location for the waste has been found, to date.

And to burn the unburned fuel you would have to breed the material, which is a process that requires the most dangerous reactors and is extremely costly.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

No permanent storage location for the waste has been found, to date.

Onkalo

to burn the unburned fuel you would have to breed the material

France reprocesses spent fuel. With increased scale it would be cheaper and cut down on the volume of waste that must be dealt with regardless of if there's a nuclear industry in the future.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

Also "spent" fuel is like 90% recyclable.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

ah thats cool. I didnt know there finally was a permanent storage facility.

As far as I know france stopped the breeder program?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The Phénix reactor shut down in 2009 so I think that was the end of France's breeder reactors. India, China and Russia still have operating breeder reactors.

Breeding from non-fissile material is different to reprocessing though. Reprocessing is a chemical process, not a nuclear one. The UK had an operational reprocessing capability - though it is being decommissioned now because it wasn't cost effective with such a small fleet. Japan is still trying to bring its reprocessing plant online (after years of trouble). However France is doing it routinely for their domestic fleet and some foreign reactors IIRC. The USA made reprocessing illegal back in 1977 due to proliferation concerns. Despite that ban being repealed, they haven't set up the regulatory infrastructure to be able to do it so no one has bothered. Maybe the new nuclear industry will shake that up a bit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, what about the waste, gonna eat that with your Turkey?