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Luigi Mangione shouts a message to the American people on his way to court:

“This is completely unjust and an insult to the intelligence of the American people and their lived experience.”

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[–] GelatinGeorge@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm unsure if he means his arrest is unjust due to the order of magnitude worse injustice of the healthcare system or Luigi stating he's not the culprit (vigilante, hero, The Adjuster - whatever noun floats your boat).

It seems like the former? Annoyingly unclear.

[–] Ciderpunk@lemmy.world 130 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He’s claiming the police planted evidence on him as a attempt to justify denying bail. Specifically he says they planted a large amount of cash that he didn’t have on him ever and has no idea where it came from, and they lied about a waterproof bag he had for his phone, saying it was a faraday cage, and claiming his possession of such an item means he’s too sophisticated a criminal to be allowed bail.

He knows what’s coming. They aren’t gonna want him to get to speak to a jury because it’s not gonna be a guarantee they convict him. If he gets a not guilty verdict, that would be VERY bad for the ruling class, so that’s not gonna be allowed to possibly happen.

[–] GelatinGeorge@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yeah, I'm already extremely suspicious at the convenience of his arrest, given that there has to be a repercussion shown to the 'plebs' - can't have them getting ideas now about the ease with which they could depose their ruling oligarchs and actually get away with it.

I didn't know about those details regarding the evidence being planted, so his statement makes much more sense with that context, thank you.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I was suspicious the instant they called out the 3D printed "ghost gun". While certainly possible, it was waaay too convenient an excuse given how that may have swung some opinions about gun safety and control. Now they're rushing this.

Keep an eye out for thinly veiled attempts at obfuscation.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The "3D printed gun" trope was taken back I think. They now claim that he only 3D printed the silencer. Some gun lobbyist probably donated a wad of cash.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They now claim that he only 3D printed the silencer.

It's shit like this that reminds me how stupid cops are...

You can't "3d print a silencer" it would just explode from the pressure.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I still remember when they tried to claim a plastic bag seen on footage of Rittenhouse was a "makeshift molotov cocktail"

  1. A Molotov Cocktail is already a makeshift weapon, that's the point, the poor will always have access to alcohol and fire so it's the one weapon the state cannot take from you.

  2. A plastic bag would make for a terrible molotov considering it can't be thrown far and would just burn up in your hands if you tried.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

A plastic bag would make for a terrible molotov considering

Gasoline melts plastic and would eat thru the bag...

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That wasn't a 3D printed silencer in the video.

If it was, that material is way stronger than anything I've worked with.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nowadays, you can print guns out of basic PLA. At least in .22 caliber, I don't know about anything larger, though I do know 3d printed Glock frames are definitely a thing. A 3d printed suppressor is definitely feasible, as I've seen at least 1 design for PETG.

Now, as to whether or not that's what can be seen in the video? Who knows. I certainly can't tell.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So I'm not into firearms. Guns aren't reaaally my thing. However, I imagine with quality material you need a larger silencer for a larger caliber, or a modified design to rapidly reduce pressure. It stands to reason then that with a design less capable of withstanding that pressure, you must then compensate with a larger design even at lower calibers. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, though this then stands to reason that even a .22 would need a much larger design, or a modified design which would by nature increase noise via gas release.

That said, a silencer doesn't silence, it reduces. If he was as prepared as we think he was, he'd know that.

AFAIK, a silencer is essentially a double-walled tin-can filled with some form of metal mesh or other way to divert and slow down the gases (like baffles or valves) between the walls and holes to allow gas into that space.

I think you're right on needing a larger design, as I remember the one I saw had pretty thick walls and was a single piece design meant for printing in PETG, but I think heat is more of a concern rather than pressure, because you still want the gas to exit the front of the gun, you just want it to take longer to do so by traveling through more space before exiting the barrel. The one I saw looked larger than what I would expect a silencer to be, but probably only by about 50%, and I believe it was designed for an AR-15, which is usually chambered in 5.56, which is a projectile that's just a tiny bit wider than a .22, but has more gunpowder in a longer casing for a faster projectile. I believe the Mythbusters back in the day did an episode where they proved that even something like a potato or a pillow does work as a silencer for a pistol, if only for one shot.

I believe that glocks are usually chambered for 9mm, which is a bigger bullet but has a comparatively small amount of gunpowder for the size, and if he was using subsonic ammo, that would reduce the gunpowder even more. If that's what he was using, it would stand to reason that he wouldn't need as sturdy a silencer for the gun (and would also explain why he had to manually cycle the gun after each shot as there probably wasn't enough pressure to fully cycle the gun normally). But it's all conjecture anyway on whether or not he actually 3d printed a silencer because it's too hard to tell from the footage that we have without knowing specific 3d printed silencer designs that it could be.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

Whatever happened to it being a Welrod?

Goddess these news outlets don't know shit when they publish shit.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be fair, I'm not sure if "just arrest anyone convenient and frame them", is entirely in the wealthy's interest here. Making an example is one thing, sure, but if you do that and dont get the guy that actually did it, then you have a guy out there who has proven themselves willing to go out and assassinate CEOs, who may well decide to do it again. If you do have the means to catch that guy, then what motivation is there to not just send him through the court system rather than framing someone else? Less risk of a frame up being discovered and sparking even more resentment if you have at least some genuine evidence, after all.

[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 12 points 1 week ago

Could be both. They may know he is the guy, but they might not be able to say how they know it and by what means (extreme surveillance..) so they just frame him.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The cops leaked/released a picture of him in jail after he peed his pants, likely from being teased or something.

And multiple of him in the suicide prevention room, which notoriously doesn't prevent suicides, and is complete 24/7 isolation with only a weird smock.

It's not to prevent suicide, it's torture. So he's likely screaming about how he's actively being tortured.

He's rich tho, his lawyer will likely get him bail.

It's like insane this is the standard and no politician ever wants to address our system.

[–] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He's rich tho, his lawyer will likely get him bail.

His grandparents are wealthy. His parents may be rich but might not be wealthy (they may or may not be, we only know about the grandfather’s extensive holdings and the expensive schooling).

It may sound like bullshit to people stressed about making rent, but middle aged people worth a few million aren’t wealthy. Like if you’re super lucky you can work for 20-30 years and own a house in or near a major city and have a enough of a retirement or pension to quit working when you’re old and have a reasonable lifestyle. I’m in a mid tier city and even here paying off your house or condo means you’re worth at least 500k. That isn’t “buy a politician” money. That isn’t “live in any country I want because I’m rich enough that everyone gives me citizenship” money. That isn’t “immune from health insurance fuckery” money. That isn’t “get away with murder“ money.

Anyway. A wealthy grandfather may be willing to help out with or pay for schooling. But it’s a coin flip on whether he’s gonna shell out hundreds of thousands or millions for a legal defense (and if he did, would he pull funding if the defense wasn’t to his liking?). From the granddad’s perspective, the kid is a class traitor.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I mean shit, GoFundMe is trying to stamp it out right and left, but there was donations for Kyle Rittenhouse...

Luigi is going to get a shit ton of money for legal fees, from pretty much every demographics. His generational wealth and connections mean he's not going to get some ambulance chaser, he's going to get an established law firm that will tear the state to shreds.

Honestly, this might be what finally pits the 1% against the 0.01%...

They're not used to their own being mistreated, and (most likely correctly) assume if they unit with the other 98.9% of the country the wealthiest don't have a chance.

When people like this are bucking the system, it's not a good sign

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago

Just because his grandfather was wealthy doesn't mean that he is. Not destitute like so many, sure, but that's not the same as being the 1%. I think I read that Luigi is one of like 37 grandchildren. That's spreading things pretty thin.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't have sources on me. But I'm fairly certain that in the French Revolution you had upper class supporters of the revolution, and maybe even some nobility. Most of the revolutions did, and they provided support to the revolution usually through some supply chain they had access to.

That being said, I could be entirely making it up, because that would have been more than a decade ago I learned it.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Well, I was sort of hoping for a happier ending than that, but they didn't call it the reign of terror for not beheading 16,000 people.

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

I hope you're right, but I'm just not as hopeful anymore.