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Dear god, no. This is an abjectly terrible idea. Dems aren't going to win until they stop being the other party of billionaires who are centre-right at best yet claiming to be for the working man. Come on, learn something from this election. We want a Sanders or AOC, not this milquetoast rejection of the full scope of the Overton window.

This is going to be a crazy four years, and to suggest we come out on the other side wanting a return to the same bullshit that held wages and lifestyles back for, by then, 50 years, is a failure to read the room. No one wants what the Democratic party currently offers, and I don't see her suddenly becoming progressive. We don't need another president on the cusp of getting Social Security when elected.

We want that for ourselves after paying into the system for so long, but that's not going to happen. Find a new standard-bearer or die. Learn. Adapt. Run on real change, not the incremental shit that was resoundingly rejected and so generously provided us with the shitshow we're about to endure. Voters stay home when you do that, and here we are.

I mean, how many CEOs need to be killed before anyone gets the message that what they're offering has the current panache of liver and onions? Doesn't matter how well it's prepared; the world has moved on, and whoever gets the nomination in '28 needs to as well. Harris is not that candidate.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They didn't run Clinton after she lost to trump, why would they think this is any different? Harris was not picked twice for a reason, the first time in the 2020 democratic primary and the second time after the last election. PLEASE move on to someone who hasn't lost yet for a real change and a real hope to win.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

She lost the first primary bc she had progressive ideas. The DNC wouldn’t allow that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago

She lost the ~~first~~ only primary.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

While Bernie certainly didn't win the primary, I would argue he was slightly more progressive and yet got farther than Harris. Please reconsider your position on that. I don't think the DNC did her any favors, but they certainly aren't what kept Harris from winning.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m saying that’s why she lost then. She was in a field of better progressives as well as the status quo rep.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She lost because she was progressive, but at the same time you're saying she lost because she wasn't actually progressive enough.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I didn’t say "more" I said, "better."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

After you said she lost because she was progressive, and in the same comment where you say there were better progressives, implying if she had been more progressive she would have won.

If not please try explain.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Because she was neither.

The dnc was always going to push Biden liked they pushed Clinton.
She also didn’t win progressives bc there were better ones.

I’m done clarifying. Have a good day.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 minutes ago

I understood what you were saying 🤷

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

You didn't clarify anything, especially not the incorrect point you were trying to make. I hope you have a more enlightened day.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

She lost the first primary because she ran a terrible campaign. People forget, but there were rumors of poor management and staffers not getting paid right before she dropped out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago

She lost the ~~first~~ only primary.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This. Her campaign was godawful, finances aside. She couldn't find a message and quickly fizzled. Historically, and I'll use the Reagan/Bush example, you want your closest runner-up. This also works for Nixon/Ford, though that wasn't exactly your run-of-the-mill situation. But that's Watergate under the bridge.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Ford was never on the ticket, he was appointed after Agnew resigned. He's the only president to never be elected to either the presidency or vice presidency.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

I was worried when I said that that I was wrong. I forgot about Agnew and the whole morass. One generally doesn't like to present a single data point. I was wrong. Thank you for clarifying.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That may have been a thing. Her platform was decent, though. She wasn’t as cool as Booker or progressive as Yang. She certainly didn’t have Bernie's appeal or recognition.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

And here we see the problem with adopting slightly right of centre positions. She pleased no one. Obviously, her race and gender were not exactly the fallback plan.