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Wait, that doesn't make sense? 37% of women would date a man who has had sex with another man, but 19% would date a bisexual person? So at least 18% of women would date a straight, gay, or non-bisexual pan man who has had sex with other men just as long as he isn't bi?
Idk and the original survey was in some magazine, no idea how valid those exact figures are. Anecdotally, though a lot of straight women do have that outlook and I'm glad an open discussion is being had.
Also a lot of women jumping into the comments unprompted to say, "What?? Just because I don't want to have sex with a guy who has had disgusting gay sex and probably has AIDS, that makes me homophobic???"
>terf
I regret ever wasting my time trying to appeal to a childish people who thinks like this.
it doesn't count if you say "no homo"
"Yeah my bf fucked another guy, but not in a gay way. Guy on guy is hot as long as I don't have to think of it as a long-term thing."
They're different surveys. The 63% is from a Glamour survey of 1000 women who subscribe to the magazine. The 19% is from South Florida Gay News, but the link wouldn't load for me so idk who they surveyed exactly.
South Florida Gay News better not have surveyed their own audience because I would be very shocked to see that 19% figure came from the LGBTQ community itself.
Well, some gay men also don't like bi guys
First time I learned that "breeder" was a biphobic slur was because of a woman-hating gay who lost his shit about me dating a woman who didn't take offense to my orientation lmfao
at least some of this might be confused by asking lesbians if theyd date a bi man
Yeah but it says 19% would date a bisexual person, so I think the survey isn't specific to those who date men. I appreciate that if enough lesbians who wouldn't date bi women (??? also biphobic) answered the survey then it would throw off the numbers for men so maybe the observation I made is inaccurate, but I feel like these numbers aren't adding up.
Is it something to do the first statistic using "man" and the second "person"?
Men are a subset of people, so there's no reason why opening up the category would restrict the % of women who would date within it.
It might be a Yes/No/Unsure type of question.