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(I didn't, largely since I've never watched a single episode, but the psychic damage and whiplash of Wholesome Pony Show having said this line was too fuckn much for me)

EDIT: More replies than upbears now. It’s probably an official struggle session now (although most of it is that one person). One must imagine SisyFEWs happy.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think a lot of the backlash was rooted in misogyny. "Oh no, how dare men like girl thing"

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Remember that a big chunk of the historical fandom was weirdo fascist edgelords who wanted to fuck the ponies and wrote horny violent fanfics about them. One of the longest fanfics about anything (FOE:PH) is basically "Made in Abyss but it's ponies and set in a post apocalyptic wasteland."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

FOE:PH

Oh God, I remember hearing talk about how terrible this was and having a peek out of morbid curiosity. I made it maybe a quarter of the way through the first chapter before I had to dip out at the exhaustively described fever dream of what MRAs imagine a society run by feminists would look like.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wasn't there also a Fallout crossover fanfic that completely missed the humor aspect that was always present in Fallout and was sort of edgy for edginess' sake? I never read it, but its fandom was pretty scared-fash at a glance.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That was all of the Fallout crossover fanfics

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The most infamous of those is the one I mentioned, Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons, but the original Fallout Equestria was also pretty bad just much, much more tame than FOE:PH was.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You said it's related to Made in Abyss so I take it there's a lot of libertarian-alert factor too. lea-why

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It predates it, but it is similar in tone and grotesqueness. Although thinking about the full depth of the problems with Made in Abyss that I covered exhaustively in a post last night, FOE:PH isn't as bad. It's a gratuitous, edgy spectacle that handles problematic themes poorly, but it's merely making an exploitative spectacle of them while Made in Abyss is even worse. AFAIK most of the characters in Project Horizons are adults though, though I think there's some nonce stuff in there too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have no idea why you read it, but I assume it was something like this as a situation.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I compulsively consume problematic slop, and was even worse about it a decade ago when I was in the process of rebuilding my schema from the ground up after dismantling twenty years of calcified repression brainworms, which is around when I read part of the then-incomplete FOE:PH specifically because of its reputation. Made in Abyss has to be the only thing that's actually made me sick to watch, however. I can't emphasize enough how even the people who condemn it undersell just how vile it is; it's in a league of awful all of its own. Like I feel even my "Made in Abyss is the worst thing anyone has ever made" rant is too soft, because I couldn't stomach really dredging up the specifics.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From what I know about it, there's a blurry line between "presents and does not condone, and maybe didn't read the room and has hogs eating the slop now" to "presents and claims it does not condone and it's clear the makers are also the hogs." yea

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think there's generally three fuzzy categories problematic content can fall into in mainstream works: presents [bad thing] and condemns it, clearly establishing that it's bad; presents [bad thing] and shows that it's harmful but takes no overt stance, leaving the audience to infer for themselves that it's bad; and presents [bad thing] and really revels in how the spectacle of it being awful in a crass and gratuitous way.

Made in Abyss is a fourth category altogether: presents [the worst shit you'll ever see] and revels in it, and narratively treats it as normal and ok. It transcends the whole "showing things are bad vs making a crass spectacle" spectrum by becoming a de facto endorsement of what it's showing off.

Fuck, I really need to find something to take my mind of this and hope the brain poisoning from engaging with it wears off soon.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you mentioned watching utena, did you ever finish it? it handles a lot of the stuff that you described in made in abyss but like. it is good at condemning the way children are groomed and exploited in patriarchal societies, and never sexualizes them, and has all the characters grow and change over time

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have not gotten back to it yet, I'm still working my way through Sailor Moon and nearly through the third season.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

how is that? i remember the 3rd season being my favorite, but i'm a very different person now

sailor moon might be better at washing away the made in abyss, so that might be smart

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Fuck, I really need to find something to take my mind of this and hope the brain poisoning from engaging with it wears off soon.

Aggretsuko is a good time and may work like brain bleach with a bit of cathartic rage. sicko-wholesome

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's also written for 5-year-olds though.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (37 children)

Mario and Pokemon are for children too and nobody gives a shit if you like them as an adult

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mario is the tale of a union man taking mushrooms and rescuing his side piece from a human trafficking dinosaur. Pokemon is about a kid winning a series of cockfights and taking down the mafia. For kids? Hardly. morshupls

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Tell me how good Dragon Tales is next.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It was originally written by the same person who wrote Powerpuff Girls and a lot of the humor is similar in the sense that it appeals to both kids and older viewers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the same person who wrote Powerpuff Girls

This just in: Lauren Faust being Craig McCracken's wife was a conspiracy all along; she is actually his drag persona

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought she was a writer for that as well though?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I had tried to edit with a clarification that she wrote for both series but that McCracken was the actual creator of Powerpuff Girls, but maybe that didn't load on your end.

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