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Even with their thousands of users, the libs can't even harness a fraction of our power
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this post was submitted on 10 Aug 2023
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From what I've seen, there's no real difference between lemmy.ml, lemm.ee, and lemmy.world. They're all the same attempt at trying to be a Reddit clone with the same Reddit defaults as comms. If you merge all three instances together and merge the comms that they share, they would be absolutely zero difference. I guess lemmy.ml is lemm.ee with socialist characteristics while lemmy.world is lemm.ee with fascist characteristics. To me, the biggest difference between those instances is how they see us and whether they are federated with us.
There are definite differences.
Lemmy.ml has moderation that's closer to the moderation here but without kicking people out for being libs. Hate is well moderated.
Lemm.ee is the closest to emulating reddit while remaining a real form of politically neutral. Hate is well moderated.
lemmy.world is emulating reddit, including its censorship of the left. Hate is badly moderated. Reports of actual transphobia go ignored.
Your "characteristics" assessment isn't really that far off though. I am an advocate of lemm.ee and would prefer for it to become the largest. Lemmy.ml will become leftist in the longterm in my opinion, Hexbear influence is now very significant on it.
It's just a lot of thoughts going through my head since federation. I feel like there's going to be one Reddit clone that will absorb members from all the other would-be clones. Most people will choose the largest Reddit clone by default, which will snowball until there's only one clone left. Right now, the favored Reddit clone is lemmy.world, but the admins are apparently paranoid about us creating wrecker alts to ruin their shitty instance, so that could be a source of instability. I agree about lemmy.ml. For lemm.me, I've noticed a lot of banned users come from that instance and it feels like we get the most pushback from them. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually defederate from us, at which point lemmy.world would just completely absorb lemm.me's users. From the perspective of an incredulous lib who doesn't understand fascism even when it's biting them in the ass, the only difference between lemm.me and lemmy.world is one instance federates with Hexbear while the other one doesn't and once the instance that federates with Hexbear no longer does so, lemm.me just becomes a smaller lemmy.world. I dunno, it's just a thought I have.
As an aside, here's an interesting thread in beehaw about whether they should just defederate. I think most people have predicted beehaw would eventually wither away, but I didn't expect the process to happen this fast. It's also very interesting how even the libs at beehaw recognize some of the flaws of Reddit (they've taken out downvotes like us for largely the same reasons). They at least understand that trying to recreate Reddit when Reddit already exists is a terrible idea. However, being libs, they are hampered by having a terrible intellectual framework. They also have a huge civility fetish such as some loser in that same thread shamelessly admitting they would deal with a transphobe than some angry person.
lol they're down to 290 users/day. Their decision to defederate so much has fucked them.
Hexbear has very low user churn so we get away with low growth sources to maintain community health. They on the other hand have very high user churn due to users having no political motive for being there.
On Lemmy as an independent instance you need to solve this or you die.
My experience with the instance owner has been good. They are committed to neutrality while maintaining strong hate moderation. I don't think they will defed, particularly if they see us as people promoting them because we prefer them to lemmyworld being dominant, but I've been wrong before.