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A California Superior Court judge arrested last week has now been charged with killing his wife in front of their adult son at their home. Court filings reveal the judge had over 47 weapons and 26,000 rounds of ammunition in his home.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (11 children)

How many rounds of ammo he had is not really relevant (unless he used all 26000 rounds of ammo or was in the process of using them).

That he killed the wife in front of the kid… that is relevant.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (21 children)

"First things first, I just want to say the fact that the murderer had 47 guns and 26,000 rounds of ammunition sheds no light on his personality or the crime."

Okay.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

It's kinda weird that they made this more about how much weaponry he has rather than about his mental health and the actual situation.

Weird take though - I kinda want more news with random stats.

"Woman with over 64000 Pokemon cards burns down house"

"Man who eats 16 slices of pizza that one time evades police"

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think it's relevant to note that someone mentally unwell enough to kill another person (especially their own spouse) was able to hoard such a large amount of weapons.

I guess the rest of us are just lucky that he only wanted to kill one person, instead of several.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I'm more concerned he was able to become a judge.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Devil's advocate here. Where is the line? In an extreme example, ADHD is a mental condition so maybe they shouldn't have guns?

In a more nuanced example, what about the trans community? Some say it's mental disorder, some don't. So should they or should they not have any firearms. Highest cause of gun death is actually suicide and trans community has high rate of suicide.

The point I'm making is, I think we can agree some extreme examples are very easy to distinguish. But it is a very slippery slope where people's rights could be taken away without proper due process. Basically, at the mercy of the current administration's opinions rather than the actual facts of the situation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

There are multiple articles on this situation. This particular article was written because of the somewhat unique weapons cache. Other articles will be written about mental health, without a doubt

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's almost like they want to continue to demonize normal gun owners (yes there are dozens of us left leaning gun owners). I'm kind of fucking sick of it but the rich folks that want us disarmed have enough to keep funding the meessages.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're not normal if you have 26000 rounds of ammo. I have 5 guns and don't have 500 rounds. 26000 rounds sounds like someone with a dooms-day mindset preparing for anarchy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

What about for times when the ammo prices skyrocket?

This literally happened not too long ago.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

If you switch Pokemon cards to gallons of fuel it'd be more like the headline here.

But I know you're purposely missing the point anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's not a random stat like Pokemon cards. You're being obtuse. It would be more like "Woman with extensive collection of flares, matches, and gasoline burns down house" and "man who owned numerous police scanners and maps of escape routes evades police."

The "actual situation" is that he had a collection of 47 weapons that enable murder and he murdered someone with one of them. Your analogies are absurd.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perfect example of a blatantly intellectualy dishonest argument right here. Show me how Pokemon cards were designed to burn down a house.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think the point is that correlation is not causation. A ridiculous example was used to illustrate that point.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Your examples are extremely dismissive of a link that is actually there. He owned a fuckload of guns and used them to murder his wife. Not only are your crimes less serious, they're not related to the hobby at all.

Regardless, the people claiming "what's the big deal, so he owned a bunch of guns" clearly have no idea how it looks outside of pro-gun circles (and outside of America).

If he had been charged with sexual assault and the headline said that he owned a sex doll, you might say "so what?". If he was charged with sexual assault and he owned 48 sex dolls, you'd be treating it like a red flag.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah. I think the previous domestic disputes and alcohol abuse are more relevant to the domestic violence. If he didn't have a gun, it would have been a fist.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Which she likely would've survived?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Fist*

*or knife, hammer, baseball bat, crowbar, rebar, pipe, wrench...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes. Too bad he had all those guns within easy reach.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I recall some recent study that said most mass shooters follow a predictable pattern of buying guns, then amassing guns and ammo.

Nobody needs 26,000 rounds. There is no problem that any American can legitimately solve with 26,000 rounds. It's a threat to everyone.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you are a hobbyist shooter then it is common to buy ammo in bulk. And if you've never done competitive shooting or even just going to the range once a month, you may not realize how fast the ammo is used up.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No problem that exists today. Stocking up on ammo is for the unpredictable future. You only need one bullet for a regular murder right?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Right? I mean, why would someone who shot their spouse do anything irrational?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ammunition prices fluctuate drastically with global and national events. In 2021 when COVID hit 9mm cost roughly 70 cents a round. Today it's around 19 cents a round. There's a buy cheap stack deep philosophy practiced when buying ammo.

A competition shooter or someone attending a class can easily shoot 1,000 rounds over a weekend. Buying in large volume when prices are low means that weekend costs $190 not $700.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

26,000 is a lot, but with no other context it's not an indicator of "crazy".

As others have said: ammo is cheaper in bulk. It doesn't "go bad" if stored properly, and you need different rounds for different guns. And for a while it was hard to find -- you stocked up when you found it because you didn't know when it was going to be available again.

1000 shells of 12 ga -- that's two cases, I have to drive a long way to find them, and I shoot trap every other week. 20ish shells, 12 ga slugs -- left over from hunting I have 1050 rounds of 9mm, because I bought 3 cheap boxes of Blazer Brass on sale and that's what I shoot at the range. 800ish of 7.62x54r -- 2 spam cans, for the same reason. Probably 1500ish rounds of .22lr -- 3 boxes of 500 rounds... same reason.

I'm not a nut, but if the cops raided my house the headline would be "found with over 4000 rounds of ammunition!!!!"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The other indicator is that he murdered his wife.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Completely irrelevant

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What if you have to wage a war against emu’s?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

You'll be swarmed. Only the Samurai survive that war.

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