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I wonder whats Stalin's take on how to deal with people with "conservative values"

In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

J. Stalin

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

Easy for Stalin to say that. The actual experience for Jews in the USSR was considerably less great. The USSR supported the creation of Israel early on as a way to put political pressure on western countries, but:

when it became evident that many Soviet Jews expected the revival of Zionism to enhance their own aspirations for separate cultural and religious development in the Soviet Union, a wave of repression was unleashed.

On August 12, 1952, in the event known as the Night of the Murdered Poets, thirteen of the most prominent Yiddish writers, poets, actors and other intellectuals were executed on the orders of Joseph Stalin

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

quotes without citations are great, am I right folks

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I tried looking for it. The first quote is getting a book by R. J. Overy called "The Dictators: Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia". The quote itself is not cited in the book but following it is a claim about thousands of jewish folks being arrested which is cited from a work called "The USSR, Zionism and Jews" (paraohrasing the name since I don't remember it exactly nor the author's) but I couldn't find it.

Edit: unsurprisingly the comment author cribbed the quote straight from a Wikipedia article about Soviet anti-Semitism.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's nothing wrong with a Wikipedia article, but 'Night of the Murdered Poets'(which I assume OP sourced from?) stating that Solomon Mikhoels died personally under Stalin's orders w/o any other citations raises an alarm.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

there's a lot wrong with most political Wikifedia articles, especially when it's related to communism

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there. Whether you're supportive of zionism or not (certainly, I think the things done in the name of zionism—namely the apartheid nature of the modern state of Israel—are abhorrent), that does not justify the repression of Jewish people in general, let alone their murder.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I tried to make a joke in bad taste, there are definitely some excesses during the purges. I'm investigating up on what you wrote, will make a comment later.

Although I do note that Zionism was never a progressive ideology since its inception. There was never any good 'Zionist' movement.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How surprising that this is left at the bottom of the thread

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

my sibling in Christ, you chose the comment sorting method

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah turns out claims like "a wave of repression was unleashed" are not exactly straightforward to dispute.