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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I mean, China fucking sucks and is a shit authoritarian statist government but let's not pretend America hasn't done similar things.

Ever heard the stories of how America won the right to unions?

  • Columbine Mine Massacre

  • Ludlow Massacre

  • Thibodaux Massacre

  • Battle of Blair Mountain

  • Herrin Massacre

Hundreds of people killed in total because they were protesting.

The difference in outcome is that back then the technology was more of a level playing field.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Those things? Also bad.

Incredible that two things can simultaneously be shit, but it’s true.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Congrats. That is exactly what I wrote.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Half this site can't accomplish holding two thoughts at once

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

thats what we're saying lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Weird how I only ever hear one of those events used to dismiss an entire system of economic organization though

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess you’re not listening then because “capitalism fucking sucks and is responsible for countless atrocities” is a pretty common tale these days.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

Hey man anarcho-syndacalism slaps, no worries if that's your preference.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine thinking that people are opposed to post-scarcity economics, and not the whole "let's kill everyone who disagrees with us until we achieve such conditions"

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

"Just wake me up when we get there" 👍

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I use those events in the US (and many more) to condem capitalism. I also use Tianamen (and others) to condem state capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Can always rely on there being at least one person ... "but the USA did XYZ." Doesn't change what happened in 1989.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

No it doesn't. But the same people who whine and cry about people using whataboutism in favor of China do the EXACT same thing in favor of the US.

They are both shit. Everyone is tired of each side pretending that only one side is shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Except they’re nowhere nearly comparable. The US is pretty bad but China is an authoritarian state with internet censorship and state-controlled companies.

The “America also bad” argument feels like a mass murderer saying “well you stabbed a guy 10 years ago, you’re no different!”.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Do u know banana republics, thats a rad story. i think u should look up what usa have done to south american contries.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Go look up to see what China did during the great leap forward and cultural revolution. They killed about 30 million of their own people. I would like you to post a source proving that the United States murdered 30 million of its own people within the past 150 years, as well as persecuting tens of millions of people and sending millions of children from cities to be reeducated with forced labor on camps after being separated from their parents. Hundreds of thousands of intellectuals were murdered for being... Intellectuals.

The only thing that comes close was slavery and the Japanese internment during world War II. However, slavery was abolished over 150 years ago, and during the Japanese internment families were generally kept together and they were not forcibly reeducated.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Please tell me a time when.this country did terrible things b-b-but only in this certain half of the country's existence!! Otherwise it's cheating!!1!"

Conveniently chose a time right where you can ignore the Slavery and the Trail of Tears (% population wise that was just as bad). Not to mention the mass Native American "reeducation" and ripping them away from their families to get a "proper white education"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_schools

Every government has done terrible things. The US, China, and Russia are among the worst. We can argue about what is "worse." But that is completely subjective. China literally just did much of what the US did, but on a larger scale 150 years later and with different technology.

Arguably Russia was the worst of them all, but literally all 3 are bad. America pulled itself out of that era and into corporate indetured servitude era of corporations committing genocides and coups in other countries. Personally I think that China is worse than the US and Russia dwarfs both of them, but just because one is maybe marginally worse doesn't mean the other wasn't/isn't bad.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

it doesn't, but for sure dispels the myth that the US isn't evil.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

No one here holds that myth

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

I mean that’s the point of the comment. Any conversation about China’s shortcomings necessarily turns into “but US also bad” as if that’s proving a point we don’t already know. This is Lemmy, not the CPAC convention. We’re probably all pretty on board with nuanced positions on the evils of imperial states

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

This is so off topic I read it in grampa Simpson's voice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Stop smoking the Copium.