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I think my point is that they have the power. Do you think well-adjusted, compassionate, peaceful people are occupying Hawaii, Guam, the Caribbean, the Pacific, and South Korea. Do you think Victorian Nuland was handing out cookies during Euromaidan because she believed it was all for peace? Do you think it's healthy libs overseeing the largest prison population per capitalist with $11Bn in slave labor profits?
The violence domestically is already here. The mass shootings are insane and the politicians are all in support of them. White people get called "mentally unstable" and everyone else is a terrorist participating in a conspiracy against the perfectly normal USA.
All the people you're worried about are already in the power structure. The crazies will only be elevated when the domestic threat requires it. But it's all prepared. The Florida militia is a great example. We're there, comrade. We're already there. We can trigger the death camps just by organizing the lumpen left effectively. As soon as we do that, we'll see the reaction from the power structure. It's already what you fear it is.
Yes takeover was a poor choice of words, I should say I fear the handover. Didnt mean to come across as trying to do the “this is the most important election of our life” type thing like we could prevent them from holding power with that.
Could you expand on what you mean by the lumpen left? Or just like an article about it? I know that was a thing the BPs pushed for (like organizing gang members right?) but I’ve hardly read anything about them aside from quick rundowns and a few of their speeches.
I'm reading bout BPs mostly, and contrasting it against contemporary analysis of the labor aristocracy. With the massive prison population, homeless population, those with addiction diseases, and the underemployed, the lumpen is getting larger and larger compared to the days of the BP when it was mostly blacks in ghettos (still here) and the American Indians (still here). So if we manage to get them organized, likely by building from the AIM and Black Power movements, it is simultaneously the most likely formation and the formation most likely to trigger the most violent reaction.
Do you know if any of our mainline parties have started thinking about how to do this?
How to organize the lumpen? Not that I am aware of. However, the PSL is pretty well based on theory and historical analysis and Lenin was pretty clear on the need for the legitimate party and the less legitimate guerilla movement working together towards the same goals. So I imagine that without coming out and saying it the PSL is aware of the need for a lumpen movement and is probably doing what they can to agitate, educate, and support.