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We all know the hypocrisies of the pro- Israel stances, I’m not going into specific arguments but it’s just everywhere. Normal people seem to have bought in even quicker than they did with supporting Ukraine. it’s awful. Free Palestine.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

yeah i dont know any poc personally supporting Israel and all the mayos ive explained things to, quickly give tentative support to Palestine. To be fair ive never had a productive conversation with a jewish person who wasnt already a communist, but maybe thats just not in my wheelhouse (i dont do well with people making purely emotional arguments, i just kinda shut down especially when people just start crying or spewing insults) , plus im trying to take a break from talking politics to white people but people keep reaching out to me to ask questions. its exhausting and feels pointless, but ive convinced/ further educated like 4 people this week.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

To be fair ive never had a productive conversation with a jewish person who wasnt already a communist

I feel like I've met maybe one Jewish person IRL who wasn't pro Palestinian liberation. Even the Israeli dude I worked with wanted to vote out Netanyahu and work towards two states, which is admittedly liberal but like, a massive improvement over the status quo.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Me too, I've only ever known one Jewish family that was plainly Zionist, all the others (families and individuals) were either not really discussing the issue or fervently pro-Palestine.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m a Jew who knows lots of Jews, we either don’t discuss Israel or are pro-Palestine. I’ve only met one Jew who is pro-Israel. She coincidentally has like an entire media/nonprofit career lined up for her basically. For some people at least all you need to do is sell your soul and the fame and money will flow.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

thats very cool! i wish i had similar experiences. tbf i do live in a very conservative place. maybe its just not my conversation to have, or maybe im bad at it idk, its almost always devolved into crying or insults or just shutting down the conversation. edit: to be clear i just say things like " no, i dont think Israel should exist, it should be Palestine" and then people freak out! I really dont know how to water it down more. most Jewish people I know are communist/ anarchist though, very based group of people generally, just not at my school or work.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you say "it should just be palestine," normies have been taught to interprets that as "I support ethnic cleansing of Jews."

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ok, got it! ill keep working on my approach

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's an uphill fight and a dangerous one, too.

I've rarely seen people around me this bloodthirsty before now, not since 9/11 anyway.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

yeah ive been threatened for my beliefs in the past, but this is the first time i think someone may actually try to kill me for them if i say it to the wrong person. never gonna be silenced though, death is better than silence. stay safe.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

honestly i should have been had a dash cam.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I really should be adding a qualifier of “White Americans” more often when I make generalizations about “Americans” loving genocide, being ignorant about the world, holding their own uninformed opinions to be gospel truth, etc.

I’m very critical of Evangelical Christianity but even there White Evangelical Christianity and Black Evangelical Christianity are almost like two different religions in many ways.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

most black people opposed the war in Iraq from the start!! and vietnam!!!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

made me think of this

Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go ten thousand miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights?

No, I am not going ten thousand miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world over. This is the day when such evils must come to an end. I have been warned that to take such a stand would put my prestige in jeopardy and could cause me to lose millions of dollars which should accrue to me as the champion.

But I have said it once and I will say it again. The real enemy of my people is right here. I will not disgrace my religion, my people or myself by becoming a tool to enslave those who are fighting for their own justice, freedom and equality…

If I thought the war was going to bring freedom and equality to 22 million of my people they wouldn’t have to draft me, I’d join tomorrow. But I either have to obey the laws of the land or the laws of Allah. I have nothing to lose by standing up for my beliefs. So I’ll go to jail. We’ve been in jail for four hundred years.

—Muhammad Ali

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i love him so much. although i also like the fictionalized quote as well, very succinct. how do we not have a Muhammad Ali emote?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We need a word we can throw around that stands generally for white, cis-het, global north, middle class wealth, etc. attitudes. WASP is close.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Another great option!

Though as a yt myself it might come off a little sus.