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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (11 children)

What is the realistic alternative? At this point I’m just happy if the Republicans stop gaining power. Once they are not so crazy, then we can move further left.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When was the last time the Dems got more left wing? Biden is the one pulling the shit in the meme and doomed American railroads by breaking that strike, Obama's admin is the reason slave markets could open in Libya, Clinton ratified NAFTA and did all that epstein stuff, this is not a conclusive list of any of their deeds.

How could you possibly drag that party left? They have resisted turning left at every turn largely in spite of their base and they keep getting elected. I personally don't think it could be done and the alternative is to either vote 3rd party or spoil your ballot when the time comes around.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Hoo boy. Another propaganda bot looking to chill the Dem vote and ease the way for the Republican fascists.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago

Hoo boy. Another propaganda bot looking to shill for the Dems and ease the way for a bipartisan bill that legalizes feeding homeless people into woodchippers.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago

Shut the fuck up you ignorant shitlib, Biden's administration's been racing to out-fascist the damn Republicans already, like building Trump's wall and racing us towards nuclear hell

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

Another lemmy lemming jumping off a cliff and chastising everyone smart enough not to follow

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Are the bots with you in the room right now?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

We're not bots we're paid shills smh my head get it right

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Wait the rest of you are getting paid? stirner-shocked

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

We’re not bots

Speak for yourself

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

che-laugh I hope you're real and not just a guy doing a bit

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

hexbear is explicitly communist. Elizabeth Warren is "capitalist to [her] bones" and Sanders bent the knee to the party machine and can't even manage to be on the right side of geopolitics.

what do you fucking expect from us?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

explicitly communist

Wait, has Hexbear actually explicitly stated itself as a communist instance?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

No, we are explicitly non-sectarian leftists who have a penchant for ultra- and Trot-bashing (though PSL does do good things here and there edit:but aren't trot?). So I misspoke on that one, even though I'm not the person you were talking to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

i used and meant small-c

we all want the classless moneyless society etc etc, the disagreements are on how to get there from here

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Little late but yeah PSL isn’t a Trot party. I think the misconception is due to them splitting from Workers World Party which started out as Trotskyist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

hell yeah dude

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Nah, we're just devout followers of party-parenti

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's it like being so politically and socially illiterate that you think that anybody would spend the effort to put bots on a tiny communist internet forum? Literally just think about how fucking dumb what you just said is.

The Dems are equally as fascist as the Republicans Obama built more border wall and deported more immigrants than Trump. The only place that maybe, MAYBE, you will get some actually progressive (gag) policy is in certain democratic states and cities, but it is incredibly telling that Democrats adopted Republican healthcare reforms (which fucking suck and had improved thing very little) after running on universal healthcare and having the majorities to implement it. Keep kicking the football Charlie, I'm sure you'll get it this time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hey, that’s not true!

Since I’m also a bot and not from Hexbear, I’ll just have to resort to mentioning @[email protected] since I can’t trigger it :(

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I got your back... Whataboutism

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Whataboutism? What about deez nuts?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for triggering lol. Sadly, the bot’s response will probably only be findable on Hexbear since you deleted the parent comment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah dang. I only meant to edit it. Must have been a bit on the stoned side

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You can always undelete the comment

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

🐖 💩🏀🏀

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Or maybe Democrats deserve some criticism from the real left for once if they’re going to pretend to be left.

I would rather ask why you care about an election thirteen months away which should just take a couple minutes rather than doing literally anything beyond that. If you can’t, that’s fine, but don’t act like just voting is going to stop the US from declining into fascism, which feels increasingly more inevitable if it isn’t already there.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I am a propaganda posting robot and I am hiding in your walls

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I am the hottest and sexiest and most propagandaist bot dont listen to these fake fools I am The Poster

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The USA is already fascist. I could list out all the technical reasons why, but what else do you call a country that sends weapons and money to actual, real life, militant Nazis?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t think it’s about dragging that party to the left, but weakening then republican party enough that a third more left leaning party can realistically run without taking so many votes from Dems that the republican win elections.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

A weak republican party is against the interests of the democratic party, they literally say it themselves

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

The Dems and Republicans share most of their policy, the Republicans are usually just more open about how hostile they are to minorities. How would this supposedly left wing party peel off republican voters, not that many dems, but also not be openly bigoted? There are too many contradictions there I can't see your logic

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

What do you mean "once they are not so crazy?" Both parties have only been moving further right, and the Republicans have no reason to stop when they know that every time they push their side of the Overton window right, the Democrats will match them on their side to lock it in.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago

Dawg the Democrats have been, they are, and they will continue to finance and promote far-right Republican candidates as a campaign strategy.

They prefer to run against candidates like that in the general. There won't be an end by design

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

The DNC is perfectly happy continuing to enforce whatever bullshit the GOP passes, they only wait for permission to enforce it. We’re only going to have an ethical government when it is built from the ground up to be ethical, free from our current constitution’s bias towards wealthy land owners such as the founding fathers who wrote it.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

If they moved farther left then they would stop the Republicans so much easier. People like getting stuff for paying taxes, if they did even the most tepid soc-dem shit instead of whatever bullshit they're on, they'd rule unopposed for a century. How many times does someone like Nancy Pelosi have to say that they need a "strong Republican party" before you believe that will not help except by accident?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Feel free to cast your individual vote for Dems if it makes you more comfortable. It doesn't really matter and there's usually no meaningful choice anyways.

But if you're spending any other time trying to support them, like joining the party or going to some protest that accomplishes nothing or trying to convince others to do so, I would recommend taking that energy and putting it into left organizing as part of a local leftist organization.

Our power as the working class is actually rooted in collective action, including labor actions to withhold labor, to disrupt capitalist structures of control, to shut down infrastructure, to demand attention for our causes. There are many more of us than there are in the ruling class (the class that controls the Democrats), but we fail to realize our power because we are disorganized and full of false consciousness about how the world operates. The reason the ruling class wants you to focus on bourgeois electoralism is that it is no threat to them. Being embedded in the work that is or becomes a threat is much more powerful. You'll find that you punch above your weight (in power) in a competent left organization, way more than any Democrat activity ever offered.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The realistic alternative is supporting organized labor, mutual aid, local candidacies and local issues that might actually accomplish something tangible. Picking up a gun if you have to. Vote for fun if you want but know that it's a ritual you perform in place of politics.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

Lmao it’s a marginal difference, so little that your energy is 1000x better spent worrying about and doing other things

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What are the democrats better on? From where I'm standing, they're continuing trump era policies, and in some cases making things worse

Edit: they didn't respond to a single one of us 🤔

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you referring to me not responding?

I don’t care enough to respond.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago