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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's an article I can't find and really wish I could link, because it's obviously much more eloquent, where a black theorist shows the almost exact parallels between On the Jewish Question and an interview with Tupac Shakur saying exactly this. The interviewer asks some bullshit about are black men actually violent, gun-toting etc., and most black interviewees would give one of two answers - either they say no, and the interviewer would just point to racial violence stats, or they say yes but I'm one of the good ones. Instead Tupac said yes, and that's the obviously correct decision in the world they're forced to live in. Black men live in a dangerous world where becoming violent and having firearms is the only way to survive - and the only way to change that is to fundamentally change the society they live in.

On the Jewish Question is a reply by Marx (both of whose parents were Jewish, but converted to escape antisemitism) to an actual antisemite arguing for the exclusion of Jewish people from society. Marx's response was basically, fuck you, why not, all these horrible things you've said about Jews are true - because these things are intrinsic to capitalism. You're just describing the inner """Jewishness""" of capitalism, and if you want to get rid of it, if you want Jewish people (and everyone else!) to stop acting like that, the only way to do it is to overcome capitalism. I not only don't think Marx was wrong to make the argument this way, I think it's a powerful critique and I think it remained true when Tupac independently came up with basically the same thing. But then, I was led to this conclusion by a much more well-written article.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gotcha, that does make more sense and I realize now that's essentially what the comment I replied to was saying. The point wasn't making it's way through my thick skull haha

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

That's alright, misinterpreting that essay is like it's own whole cottage industry for anti-Marxists, so 100% of the search results I found while looking for the defense were like "PROOF THAT COMMUNISM IS ANTISEMITIC". My first exposure to that essay was a theorist confidently showing me what it was really about, if I'd happened on the subject randomly I'd probably also have had a brain-crust of targeted misinformation to break through.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure the article you're referring to is a section of the great redsails piece Masses, Elites, and Rebels: the Theory of Brainwashing

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, that's exactly it! I knew I'd read it on redsails, but I couldn't find it in the article search - I guess it only searches titles.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I had the same experience, so I just googled "redsails Tupac shakur"