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The by-law technically isnt a prohibition on dem-cents but does mean you can be kicked at any time if you are. Weirdly phrased but its meant to prevent some dem cent org from hijacking the org.
But regardless. The author is mad that these so called vocal minorities picked an issue that was extremely popular with the new base.
So it is a prohibition on effective demcent
Wrong, its a prohibition on multiple demcent factions splintering the org like they did with SDS.
You'd like to imagine you're ML faction should be at them helm but then you learn there's also a maoist faction and half a dozen trostskite factions who think differently. So its either get along or get the wall.
edit: "effective demcent" would just be to be demcent.
Oh, so the organization can just be turned demcent without this factoring in? If your thesis had the slightest bearing, you'd think the policy would be oriented toward reconciliation for the sake of big tent politics instead of just terminating chapters, since you can't merely make the whole org demcent with the wave of a wand, nor can you be ideologically neutral in the developmental stages, meaning any attempt at demcent can be very easily cast as splitting.
At what point was I advocating for making DSA demcent? The rule prevents any demcents from making a coup attempt so being a hazard for them if they succeed is a positive. Its like a corporate poison pill clause enforcing the holy command: Thou shalt not splinter the org.
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Tone down the debate bro energy
So then it is anti-demcent
In the fact that it is not demcent and has rules to prevent it from becoming demcent. You can still be demcent and be in DSA. There are literal demcent caucuses in the DSA. The article is basically the author complaining about those caucuses.
You have still agreed to what I am saying, aside from an apparent equivocation between groups having demcent ideology versus being structurally demcent. Can you point to a segment of the DSA that is openly structurally demcent and not a 5 person book club?
You didn't define "anti-demcent" and it sounded loaded. Again, turn down the debate bro vibes.
There are full caucuses in the DSA that are demcent. Either ideologically or structurally I dont know. Few have their own websites and fewer still openly talk about their internal structure (for reference even the PSL doesn't say its demcent on its about page). But there's many guides to all the different caucuses.
The last one is interesting because it shows you the makeup of the 2021 convention delegates. If you scroll through you'll see at least one delegate from Socialist Alternative which is an external demcent org. Reform and Revolution is allegedly a breakaway from Socialist Alternative so its probably also demcent.