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I'd love to see those Hexbears have an answer for this!

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago (3 children)

WTF is a Libertarian Socialist? Isn't that like an oxymoron?

[–] [email protected] 62 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Think Kropotkin-style anarchism. "Libertarian" used to refer to anarcho-communism--communism without states, hierarchies, and so on--until Rothbard and company started using it to mean laissez-faire capitalism during the 20th century. Some anarchists will still call themselves libertarian socialists or left-libertarians (not to be confused with "bleeding heart libertarians" or "liberaltarians," which are as awful as you'd expect).

[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ahh Captured term from ancom-pat Thanks.

Being an amerikkka and only knowing Libertarian as Ayn Rand and libertarian-alert makes it a bit cat-confused

[–] [email protected] 46 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that was their deliberate plan. Rothbard wrote:

For the first time in my memory, we, 'our side,' had captured a crucial word from the enemy. 'Libertarians' had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we have taken it over.

He was successful to the point that very few people use it in the old sense anymore, unfortunately. This is especially true in amerikkka

[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Probably worth pointing out that Hitler talks about doing the same thing with the word socialism.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Socialism with kid-diddling characteristics

Really it's "socialist economy with a significant emphasis on individual rights, e.g., free speech." It doesn't sound too bad until you (paraphrasing Parenti here) contemplate the difficulties of actually running a state, confronting capitalist attacks on your state, handling reactionary groups within your state, etc. Basically "do you let the fascists publish their newspaper the day after the revolution?"

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's often a superficially leftist label slapped over "DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DOOOOOOOOOOOO" no-veggies-at-dinner-no-bedtimes attitude.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Was that "no bedtimes" struggle session on twitter real?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I don't know, but threads like the one this one is sourced from make me wonder if it was.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Basic summary is its supposed to be Communism without as hard of a grip on the state and structures of society, "without the authoritarianism" as ideological of an explanation as that is.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So communism without even the conditions for socialism

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago

Materialism, not even once.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

What if we made a proletarian state without capitalism then implemented absolutely nothing to protect itself from the re-establishment of capital?

Sounds really hot for those with a perpetual losing fetish.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago

Thanks. I'm a silly amerikkka that only knew Libertarian from the melon-musk "I got mine fuck you" types we have here.