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Hart Research Associates/Public Opinion Strategies Study #230343 -- | page 01 of 23 | November 2023 NBC News Survey

Interviews: 1000 Registered Voters, including 833 respondents interviewed via cellphone. | Date: November 10-14, 2023

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24171452-230343-nbc-november-2023-poll_111923-release-v2


The erosion for Biden is most pronounced among Democrats, a majority of whom believe Israel has gone too far in its military action in Gaza, and among voters ages 18 to 34, with a whopping 70% of them disapproving of Biden’s handling of the war.

But Horwitt cautioned that Biden can bring these disaffected Democrats and younger voters back into the fold. “These are people who have a proven track record in voting for Biden and Democrats,” he said.

Yet what stands out in the new survey is the shift among voters ages 18 to 34. In September, 46% of these voters said they approved of Biden’s job performance.

The NBC News poll — conducted Nov. 10-14 — comes more than a month after the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on Israel, which killed more than 1,000 Israelis, and the subsequent war in Gaza, which has killed thousands more Palestinians, according to Gaza health officials.

All of this is shaping a general election that’s still some 350 days away. Biden trails Donald Trump for the first time in a hypothetical head-to-head matchup in the NBC News poll, though the deficit falls well within the survey’s margin of error.

Meanwhile, despite lower approval ratings from members of his own party, Biden gets support from a whopping 77% of national Democratic primary voters in the first NBC News poll to test the party’s 2024 presidential primary.

Looking ahead to the 2024 congressional elections, 47% of registered voters say they prefer a Republican-controlled Congress, versus 45% who want Democrats in charge. Back in September’s poll, voters split 46% Democratic, 45% Republican on this question.


Learned of article per, Rising, The Hill:

Biden Unelectable After Support From Young Dems Craters; Israel Stance Dooming Reelection: Rising [8:45 | Briahna Joy Gray and Robby Soave | 11/20/23 | The Hill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y4HJCNp3cU

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (10 children)

In general, I am a pretty center-left kind of guy.

But it seems the Center often gets way too smug and secure in their conviction that the Left has nowhere else to go.

But that calculation just doesn't work anymore. If the Center keeps spiting the Left, the Left will eventually just stay home and watch it all burn.

Reality is that the Center needs to Left more urgently than the other way around. The Left already has nothing, so they have nothing left to lose.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

It's lazy reasoning by us on the left. Not voting or voting 3rd party is voting for the right, full stop. If you want to move the Overton window fucking show up and vote. Otherwise just sit down and get ready to be fucked by the right.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Folks out here replying to you that a vote for Biden doesn’t shift the Overton window left like it isn’t so far extreme to the right that ANY vote left of it – even if CENTER – isn’t significant. All one need do is compare our left and right to the UK’s left and right, and one should conclude that we have to start where the window is for us rather than lofty ideas where people think it should be.

Expecting the window to land squarely in the left without working towards it over time is unrealistic, that is until we push it out of the right’s playing field. Course, people just love letting perfection be the enemy of good.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yep. They may as well high five a Republican on their way to being self righteous. I used to be a Republican voter and we loved idiots like them. It's part of the reason I'm so adamant about showing up and voting towards the left no matter how shitty it feels.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

It is absolutely shortsighted self-righteousness, and it’s like, come on bro; you really gonna vote to end democracy because you’re not getting exactly what you want?? Completely abhorrent flex, but OK…

Glad to have you on the side of democracy!! Hopefully someday, will be able to disagree on policy with each other rather than having to vote simply to remain democratic and free. ;)

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