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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I'm from Nicaragua (hey neighbor!) and yes, I hate how much the online left loves and defends the "socialist" governments that govern our countries. I try to think it comes from a lack of knowledge, but a lot of the time it's them calling you a "useful idiot" just for daring to ask for a socialist party that doesn't criminalize abortion (after it had been legal for almost a hundred years!) just to ingratiate themselves with the Catholic church. The FSLN has made pacts with far-right parties, made concessions to Canadian companies so they can mine gold (and destroy our forests in the process), has had a great relationship with the old and new bourgeoisie, has implemented every IMF recommendation to continue the neoliberal policies of their predecessors, but Ortega makes his yearly speech calling the US an imperialist shithole, and that's enough for them to support him.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (5 children)

not knowing spanish definitely plays a large part but I think more importantly they don't have to be bothered to live in and experience these places so they're perfectly fine remaining some idealized mental construct. its easy for them to imagine third world countries being full of rabid america haters and the politicians there being diametrically opposed to all cooperation with america rather than imagine that they're the same kind of self-interested assholes you find across the world. if ortega nationalizes some gas station chain its because he hates the west not because he wants to make himself and his family richer. any action can be construed as "socialistic" if you view it through this anti-america lens

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The idea that nationalization is about self enrichment is definitly unusual to me. Regardless of Ortegas motives it seems clearly better for the people of a country to have the resources belong to, yaknow, the country. Actual socialist countries nationalize resources too. Is nationalization really bad to you?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

its not being owned by the country its being owned by a corrupt bourgeois family. honestly how naive must you be to trust these people while they pander to anti-americans. Ortega is probably the richest person in nicaragua its hard to say with howmany assets he has hidden but he is probably richer than Pellas

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

I have no idea what to think about Ortega but if thats true its not even "nationalized". If one family is taking the profits then how can you even call that nationalization?

What benefit do they get by "pandering to antiamericans" tho lol. Western MLs are a very small group of people we cannot provide material support.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are you going to purity test every Latin American country for us? You could at least finish with Venezuela. 😭😭

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Ultras exist in non-imperial core countries too unfortunately

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