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This is the best part about Lemmy: if you disagree with the way an instance is run, you can setup your own and do what you want to do.
Personally I leave it up to people to block instances. The only instances I've had to block are the ones that post illegal content like CSAM.
And users don't even necessarily need to set up their own instance. There will be defed-heavy and defed-light instances users can just choose from based on personal preference. The instance mostly just matters for who federates and internal moderation policy (which is aligned), so it's not like anyone will be forced one way or another.
Just run your own server! It’s so easy! And if you’re too poor to afford your own server, just get money!
I'm sorry. Does actually having to put a bit of skin in the game offend you? You'd rather the people spending the actual money and doing the actual work just bow to your whims?
Compassionate fucking BUDDHA are the anti-defederation crowd a bunch of entitled, whiny asses!
I think that was sarcasm.
People often don't care to understand how much work it is to run a Lemmy instance. And the cost. I have my own website and the knowledge/money to start an instance, but I'm certainly not going to actually do that and monopolize the rest of my free time.
Its actually not that much work or money. I’m pretty bad when it comes to servers but i run my instance with about 50 users and pay $15 a month because i went with a more expensive host. A single user instance could spend less than $8 a month and setup isn’t hard
I thought the entire point of federated networks is that they give power to users, not to random rich people. If you want someone with a lot of money to decide what content you can see, you can go back to Twitter and Reddit.
The users of Lemmy (the software) are the instance administrators.
Ah, so it’s exactly like commercial networks then, where the true users are not those who create content, but those who want to police what other people can talk about.
Which part of "set up and run your own instance" is unclear you whiny buffoon!?
The part where you need to be rich enough to run a server.
All this is telling us is that you have no idea how much it costs or what it takes to run a server, or what a server is.
A server is just a computer that serves traffic from other computers. The rpi running pihole on my network is a server. My gaming desktop that doubles as a plex server sometimes is a server. The pfSense router managing my network is a server. The proxmox node that I have running a bunch of home utility and automation services is… you guessed it: a server.
You can find computers that are being essentially given away if you look for them online. Big companies clean out inventory all the time, and snagging old systems is not only cheap, but also helps to mitigate e-waste. It can be as cheap or as expensive as you need it to be, based on your budget and intended uses.
Sure, the computer itself is cheap, but it’s useless without having your own house where you have access to the router configuration.
I can make some educated guesses about what you intend this to mean, but why don’t you explain it more in your own words?
If you just buy a computer, you can run a Lemmy instance on it, but there will be no way to connect to it from outside your local network, making it pretty much useless. If you want it to work as an actual server, as far as I’m aware, you need to configure the router through which it’s connected to the internet to allow this.
I have no idea what you’re trying to say with that statement.
Are you trying to snarkily explain that you need to connect a service to the internet in some fashion for it to be able to use the internet and interoperate with other services? Because… duh?
Are you trying to say that you need to pay an ISP or wireless provider to access the internet? Because that’s pretty tautological too.
Are you saying that you can’t get admin privileges such that you can customize DNS configurations on a network that you don’t have admin for? Because that’s best practice/by design.
All I’m trying to say is that if you don’t have the privilege of having configuration access to a network, you can’t “just” host an instance, contrary to your argument that anyone can host an instance for just a little money.
And what I’m saying is that expecting to be given that level of access for free is obviously nonsense. Your argument is akin to being upset that you can’t do an engine-out service on a car because nobody will let you use their hydraulic lift for free. It’s a silly and nonsensical expectation to have, in the context.
The internet costs resources to operate, and you can’t reasonably expect to be given access to infrastructure and admin resources for free all the time. Not to mention, if it is “free” to you, you’re likely paying for it in another way that doesn’t involve money.
No not at all.
The big difference is that with federated stuff like Lemmy you can own the actual content you create. By running your own instance, of course. Become a user. Own the data.