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Yeah, that "some" are the Nazis and other rabid anti-communists with zero evidence
Given the fact that all serious historians admit there is no evidence of any intent, that is a bare faced lie.
Let's not rehash this same topic for the millionth time, it's been discussed ad nauseam: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1155
What never ceases to amaze me is the sheer shameless hypocrisy of anti-communists. So quick to attribute every problem in socialist countries to socialism or its leaders, yet when something of equivalent magnitude like the Great Depression happens which also produces millions of victims you never attribute it to "colossal mismanagement and incompetence", let alone genocidal intent. Even when such intent is quite clearly demonstrable like in the famines in colonized Ireland, colonized India and many other instances in the global south where colonialism, imperialism and capitalism have and continue to murder many millions more than socialism ever has... But under capitalism that's just an unfortunate natural occurrence i suppose.
And you did the thing, time for me to go read a bunch of tankie nonsense.
Hell, I might do it. Assuming I am not entirely banned from all of ml lemmy for pointing out that China is actually a dystopian surveillance state capitalist society with draconian limitations on personal freedom, but yes they did modernize and industrialize quite effectively.
I am apparently blaming socialism for the holodomor here, not you know, Stalin and his bolsheviks.
Bud if you have not figured this out yet youre talking to an anarcho communist whose done more actual real world praxis for the poor and the down trodden, in the real world, actually helping to house literally thousands of homeless or home insecure in the real world, in the course of a year than youll ever do in in your whole life arguing over which red fascist's theory is the best and why on the internet.
Bella Ciao.
Oh ok wow it was a couple of quotes of historians saying it wasnt intentional genocide followed by one who noted there was a famine.
Yes. Yes there was a famine. That was greatly exacerbated by both the absurd production quotas put on Ukraine to supply many other parts of the Soviet Union by Stalin, and also exacerbated by again incompetent execution of the reorganization of basically all agricultural production in Ukraine.
The post doesnt even cite anything that even disputes that.
You never named any liberal historian of which you claimed there are multiple who would prove your argument, you just called them all Nazis instead.
So let me tell you: You are not immune to propoganda. And Stalin was and literally as evidenced by you right now, still is, one of the most effective propogandists of all time.
What a perfect little tankie you are.