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[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago (3 children)

While I agree that our windows are generally superior from a functional perspective, the Americans have us beat in the fact that you can't install a window AC unit in our windows.

Hence we get to just die in the increasingly common heat waves. Not great - we've got to figure this one out.

Before portable ACs are mentioned - I'll point out that they have terrible efficiency, and connecting the tube to blow out the hot air is still terrible with European windows.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Mini split heat pumps.

All you need is a 3cm hole in the wall to run a refrigerant line from the outside heat pump unit to the wall unit.

Window AC units are pretty poor efficiency too, IIRC

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (5 children)

What if I can't make a 3cm hole cuz I'm a rentoid?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Make a temporary 3cm hole

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

I rent and could install AC because it is a home improvement. You could ask if it is allowed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I'm sure if you pay the AC unit yourself nobody will oppose lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Rent a place with air con installed?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There are the freestanding air conditioners. They have a hose you put in the window. There are plastic seals you can buy that fit in the windows to seal off the exhaust. They aren't perfect but they are better than nothing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And this is a thread about how those won't work with European windows

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I live in Europe, have one, and they work just fine thank you. They just don't put the whole unit in the window. See here

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s the portable air conditioner window hose!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

10/10 clarification

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Okay but still beats having useless us style windows everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

This is likely going to be the answer, yeah, but I believe we need to see some improvements in installability for the average person - a window AC unit does afaik not require a specialist to install, while a mini split, while possible to tackle for a handy person, is a lot harder, leaving the average person to have to pay for someone to install the unit.

Window ACs are not the best from an efficiency perspective, but they do beat portable units by a large margin.

EDIT: looks like it might actually not even be legal in the EU to install a mini split yourself - you need to be certified to handle the refrigerants.

Installation is also more than 50% of the total cost of acquisition, so we're hitting upon an affordability issue here as well.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I've just been looking into this in the UK (so Europe, but not EU).

You can now get split units that come pre-filled with a safer refrigerants that a DIYer is allowed to do themselves.

I would still get an electrician to do the electrical side though. 1KW constant load should definitely be on its own circuit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that's a good point about affordability. I guess I'd hope for government subsidies or at least supply & demand market forces to address that before it becomes an essential thing, especially if they replace gas boilers too as a move to reduce carbon emissions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

In the world of theoretical wild policies, there's a really good argument for subsidizing heat pump installation for places heating with fossil fuels or direct electricity at more than 100% of the cost of installation. I'd love to see that kind of project. One can mostly just dream, though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Not true, modern window units are very efficient

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Integrated AC ftw bebeh