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[–] [email protected] 65 points 9 months ago (5 children)

so that's nearly a HALF BILLION DOLLARS in fines owed to multiple entities by the (alleged) billionaire who is also the leading candidate to one political party.

now would be a real good time for that party to remove themselves from trump. because if they stay hitched to that wagon, they ain't winning shit. but the hilarious thing is that if they get behind haley right now they'll have an even shot at winning but she's so unappealing to the base they'll never do it.

it's great. 🤣😆🤣😆

[–] [email protected] 54 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I get denied from jobs with security clearances because I have student loans debt / financial hardships when they run background checks. The president has the ability to declassify any documents... And he has been on recording sharing classified documents with non clearanced individuals.

Security must only impact peasants

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It has to be more than student debt. Like being severely delinquent. It having declared bankruptcy. Or being in such debt that you'd be at risk of bribery.

They only care about your risk to be bribed or blackmailed and that you are honest.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Never declared bankruptcy. Trump has though numerous times, so it can't be that. 85% of my debt is student loans... And nothing is delinquent. 10% car loan, 5% elsewhere. It doesn't often go the way that we think it should

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Security clearance derives from Executive power in the first place. He got it by default.

Don't let him have that power again.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago

Yeah no way is the base going to support a woman and especially one who doesn't kiss the ring.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

I think Haley hasn't been tested yet. She might be an utter disaster with the general electorate (remember DeSantis was also speculatively popular in a general election before people actually looked at him).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

These lawsuits have actually made him more popular with his base.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

his base which is a very loud minority of the people aka not the person who win you elections. tell the low information voter in september and october that trump owes $88 million to one person for sexually assaulting her and lying about it and $450 million for cheating on his taxes and lying to get bank loans and don't be shocked if one of the red wall states flips in november.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Texas voting democratic because Trump had some legal decisions go against him?

Not a chance.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Just look at what happened with Ken Paxton. Indicted for securities fraud, and they still let him be AG. Fuck this state.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

The issue with the low information voter is that it cuts both ways for them. Republicans just have to make Biden seem like a terrible option and those low information voters simply will not turn out to vote. Then you only have highly motivated voters turning out. That is essentially what happened in 2016. Hell, even with how terrible Trump was during his presidency, our electoral system meant that he only lost by 44k votes total across three states in 2020. If those Democrats were not motivated to go to the polls, the electoral college would have been tied and Trump would have been given the presidency. What motivated a lot of people in 2020 was hatred of Trump which was fresh on their mind. That is not the case this year. Four years have passed without him fucking so much up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The bulk of the fines are assigned to the three Trumps, Weisselberg, etc "jointly and severally".

I have no idea what that means for their individual liability, but it's not exclusively on Trump's shoulders.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I saw here that the fines are $4 million for each of the two offspring, and $1 million for Weisselberg:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-set-rule-trumps-370-million-civil-fraud-case-2024-02-16

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes those are separate line items in the judgement that apply to them individually.

They are also cited in the giant fines with the "jointly and severally" description.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Ah, thank you so much, I missed that. Definitely curious to see how that shakes out.