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treats are the luxuries marx talked about ending the production of, but back then there wasnt really a consumer class that we have now, most of the luxuries were consumed by the upper classes, and what little luxuries the lower classes consumed, mainly alcohol, didnt account for much production.

so the problem is now, we got a large proletarian base enjoying nice thing, ie treats, as well as the still small upper class buying a shitlload of treats, so much treats they can never uses, yachts, jets, mcmansions, ferraris, while those are treats, treat discourse is entirely aimed at reducing the consumption of the proletariat consumers because we are a bunch of bourgeoisie communists living in brooklyn brownstones off our daddys allowances making podcasts with a alleged sex offender.

we want to abolish treats because treat production is literally killing the planet, but we want to consume the treats and will justify our consumption as being necessary because we are very important communist thinkers, we are massive hypocrites and do not do what we preach. we often bring up the concept of malthusianism, which we think is total bunk, with communism resources can be distributed to everyone evenly and a small portion can be siphoned off by high ranking party members to do blow on a private island.

the earth has a carrying capacity of 40 billion people if if we force 39,999,999,000 of them to live in giant archologies, basically massive buildings that can support millions of people inside through green energy and recycling without needing outside resources. basically we want people to like eat recycled poop to save the environment. we want them to live without even a toothbrush, no medical care, clothing, they all sleep on the floor in a communal sleeping room, and the vocal police kill anyone who has sex because nice things are treats, except when i consume them, because i am the ceo of communism.

some cool people even say breathing air is a treat, living is a treat. we think even basic necessities for human survival are treats because we are fucking insane and we created an entire political theory by doing a revisionism on a single paragraph in the communist manifesto.

and that, our federated comrades, is treat theory, please donate all your money to hasan piker and feel bad about that coffee you bought this morning you are literally hitler and satan combined for buying a cup of coffee. but you know im not. you would understand why if you read this whole fucking post, why would you read this instead of doing praxis? YOU ARENT DOING COMMUNISM HARD ENOUGH.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The way we consume and produce The Treats is definitely a problem but its right there in Capital from Papa Marx "a need is a need, whether its of the stomach or of the fancy" - the need for "luxury" (leisure, self-actualization, etc) is a proper need of the "to all according to need, from all according to ability."

But it is a real problem when treats are distributed on the basis of profit and are funneled to consumers in the global north at the expense of those in the global south. And also, we can't afford - as a global society - to have everyone live up to the standards of the global north because we can't even survive just having our particular section of the global population living at our standards. I think it's totally reasonable to expect degrowth and less consumption in the north paired with growth of the productive forces and rising standards in the south (although it'd go a long way just by ending imperialist extraction). In exchange, workers in the global north will finally have a say over their own destinies and the end of alienation - I bet people won't even want The Treats following global communism. Degrowth in consumption in the north also doesn't mean you don't get nice stuff, instead of fast fashion or ikea furniture for example you'll get stuff that actually lasts for a while and is made of good high quality materials (so you'd consume less but the value you get is significantly higher).