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Wow that is an absolute dealbreaker for this instance. Blanket censorship is just a big no no. So long and thanks for all the fish, off to find a new instance to call home!
Somewhere that isn't a little bitch, yeah.
Well you really don't want to be on lemmy.ml if you don't like censorship, because they have removed criticisms against the CCP and that fucking bitch Xi.
I don't recall any particular criticism of the Community College of Philadelphia at lemmy.ml being memory holed. Can you point me to some example? What do people have against that august institution anyway?
I'm pretty sure this is tongue-in-cheek, but just to be clear, I'm referring to the genocide-committing Chinese Communist Party.
Oh, you mean the Communist Party of China. Which would be CPC.
Generally when you can't even get the name of an entity right (and that is its actual English name!) it kind of undermines your credibility when you start talking about what it does or does not do.
You're wrong, [that is considered acceptable/ common English reference.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Party#:~:text=The%20Chinese%20Communist%20Party%20(CCP,Civil%20War%20against%20the%20Kuomintang.
And even if that was wrong, which it is not, how would a mispronounciation undermine the history of genocide? You're clearly just deflecting from the unfortunate truth about the atrocities committed by the Chinese government.
Are you going to deny the Tiananmen Square Massacre next? Give me a break...
It is actually wrong, but you'll never admit to being wrong.
You're right on one point, however: I will be denying the Tiananmen Square Massacre. Because there was no massacre at Tiananmen Square. The massacre in Beijing was a couple of kilometres away and wasn't of students: it was of workers. The very link you so smarmily threw at me like it was evidence of your stance contains this:
Embarrassed yet? Of course not. Your kind is never embarrassed by being flatly wrong. You'll contrive some excuse why you're actually right or why being right doesn't matter or some other horseshit like that. So don't bother reading past the line here. The rest isn't directed at you. It's directed at people willing to actually learn and understand.
The problem is that you're on the receiving end of as much propaganda as any citizen of China. It's just that your propaganda is slicker and less centralized so it's less obvious. But if you actually read that thing you so cavalierly linked to (without bothering to note that it directly contradicts your stance), you'd note that the Tiananmen protests were an absolutely tiny part of a very widespread set of protests that had spread out across the nation. And the core of these protests wasn't the students in Tiananmen (nor even students in general) but rather workers.
So why is it you only know about students in the square? And "know" about a "massacre" in that same square that never actually happened?
In two words: lazy press.
Tiananmen Square is near the hotel favoured by foreign journalists (then and now, even) in Beijing. It was easy to "report" by walking out the door, sauntering down the street, and watching the antics of the student protestors. Further, there was a certain adorableness about these kids building their "Goddess of Democracy" statue and it suited the messaging and narrative that people the world over just wanted to be just like Americans. Nothing quite like pandering to your base, after all, when you need their money to keep operating, right?
But the real story was far larger, far messier, and, here's the critical part, far less what the wealthy owners of your press owners wanted to have published. Because the real story was of abused workers nationwide having had the fuck enough and starting to rise up against it. (Can you think of any reason why that message would not be one that wealthy press owners would want promulgated?) The fact that these protests were all over the country, nowhere near universities outside of cities known for being university towns, and, this is the part that terrified the government most and drove them to irrational stupidity, included PLA members (!) is what led to the 1989 Beijing massacre. (There were massacres in other cities too, but information on these is very hard for me to access and no western sources have it because they couldn't even bothered to go more than about 500m from their hotel in Beijing, not to mention other actual cities!)
Of course if you thought for even a few moments (and didn't "other" Chinese people—that's critical too!), you'd understand why the narrative of massacred students never made sense whatsoever. In 1989 Beijing, university students would have been the scions of the cream of the fucking Party. They'd have been the sons and daughters of the most powerful men in the country. Do you really think that the authorities would order the slaughter of their own fucking children?! Just how fucking much do you dehumanize people who disagree with you!?
So on to the actual massacre. On June 4 the square was cleaned out. Riot police went in and brutally beat the students that hadn't yet fled: the students had been leaving in the 48 hours leading up to that because they knew what was coming (courtesy of negotiators' frank language), leaving only the hardliners behind. (Apologists for the authorities will point at students fighting with the cops, but I have no sympathy for that view. Of fucking course the students fought with the cops. That was the entire point of this: fighting authorities and demanding better!) By the end of June 4 the student protest was gone. In the process students had been killed ... but not in the square. A dozen or so had been crushed by tanks on nearby Chang'an avenue. Other civilians who tried to storm the square (including parents of the students who mistakenly believed their children were still in the square) also got shot with, likely, a few more dozen dead. (Actual numbers are impossible to get and anybody who claims to have them is a fucking liar.) But by evening of the 4th the square was empty of all but soldiers and, critically, the massacre had not yet begun.
The real massacre happened the next night near a bridge at Fuxingmen (about 2km or so away from Tiananmen square) where the aforementioned protesting workers had laid an ambush for APCs using burned out vehicles to corral them and then attack them with molotov cocktails and other improvised weapons. They were, predictably, gunned down in large numbers. (Realistic numbers say in the high four figures to low ten figures.)
So in your zeal to "score" something, not only were you wrong (and proved by the very link you provided, comically enough!), you also erased a far darker story in favour of a fantasy pitched to you by wealthy press owners and lazy reporters for over 30 years now. Congratulations! You're a free thinker!
I already admitted it it's not the official pronunciation, but it is commonplace western reference. You can see that evident from comments on Lemmy to mainstream news coverage using the CCP abbreviation.
It's like people calling those in the US Americans, when everyone living in Canada, Mexico, and South America are all technically Americans as well. It's not technically correct, but it's acceptable, commonplace, and no one gives a shit. Just like Western reference as CCP.
But here is exactly where I expected you to go, denying Chinese atrocities. The difference between you and I is that I acknowledge my country's deplorable actions in it's history, and I will openly call out and condemn our corrupt politicians and shitty government.
But you, you're living in denial and simping for an authoritarian government committing genocide, forced labor, extreme censorship, eugenics, polluting the planet to shit...
But you'll just deny history and lie for your dear leader. Good thing blocking users spreading propaganda for piece of shit totalitarian regimes is so easy.
For any other users reading this, this user could be one of the many Chinese shills to spread propaganda online.
For anyone who isn't a brain-washed sycophant, here is more evidence of the Tiananmen Square Massacre that definitively happened. Look at the documents if you want more overwhelming evidence.
Here's documents from China's government on their Uyghur interment camps.
It's so blatantly obvious for anyone not being spoon-fed what to believe by their government. But I don't expect you to suddenly have a grip on reality. Instead, I expect you to spread more lies and continue to shill and deny reality. So I'm just going to block you for being the propoganda account you are.
Below is more info on Chinese human rights violations/atrocities. Not that you'll read them, but maybe it'll dissuade a gullible user or two who might otherwise fall for your lies and misinformation.
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/19/break-their-lineage-break-their-roots/chinas-crimes-against-humanity-targeting
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/east-asia/china/report-china/
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights
https://2017-2021.state.gov/ccpabuses/#:~:text=Documented%20human%20rights%20abuses%20include,Video%20Player%20is%20loading.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/08/1125932
https://apnews.com/article/china-beijing-united-nations-michelle-bachelet-government-and-politics-6fa4626b3b60a722eb355c56ef1a67ec
https://time.com/5571372/tiananmen-massacre-june-4-1989-china-censorship/
https://www.britannica.com/event/Tiananmen-Square-incident
https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DlXJ6gHFME0w&ved=2ahUKEwiB_a3zmpiAAxXglmoFHUJDCqw4ChC3AnoECAoQAg&usg=AOvVaw12uRb6oTYVV6h7lnQeYmQj
If any evidence was needed that you don't bother actually reading, saying I'm "simping" for China is right up there after your very obviously not reading the Wikipedia link you tried to use as a weapon. Allow me to quote my "simping" for the members of the audience who can actually read:
Because calling the protestors inside China "abused" is simping in simpletonspeak apparently.
That well-known simping expression: "irrational stupidity".
And here I am denying massacres! What a simping job!
Denying it TWICE even! Jeeze I fucking simp a lot!
MORE denial! My simping knows no bounds!
"Not yet begun." The language of denial in action!
And denial after denial! How could I possibly live with myself!? Do I live in a house without mirrors!?
MOAR DENIAL!!!!111oneoneoneeleventyone!!!
You are a fucking putz with no ability to read. Just thought I'd make that clear.
Fucking Winnie-the-Pooh-ass bitch.
I don't agree with lemmy.ml's simpleminded word policing system at all (not least of which because it suffers from a variant of the Cunthorpe Problem), but I really do find terribly amusing the people who are OUTRAGED at their inability to use slurs and choose that as the reason to switch instances. I find it very telling.
Yes, we want to say bitch. Bitch.
I'm sorry, did I say anything that suggested otherwise?
That was what made me move, too.
Just discovered this also. I'm out. What a disappointment.