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Twitter, now X, was once a useful site for breaking news. The Baltimore bridge collapse shows those days are long gone.

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[–] [email protected] 201 points 5 months ago (26 children)

It’s actually crazy how low the percentage of people under like… forty is now that actually gets their news direct from a news site. Seriously, i don’t know a single person from like 20-35 who actually just goes on the NPR or C-SPAN app or whatever.

It kind of sucks. So much news is just reading the headline and seeing a photo now. And I just feel like there’s something bad about being able to see a comment section on Twitter or Reddit or even Lemmy now on every news event. Makes for a lot more group think rather than just reading the news and going “huh”

[–] [email protected] 89 points 5 months ago (10 children)

Sometimes there's good discussion though, and it's good to hear different takes.

Having comments also gives less power to the writer, like could you imagine if we all took Fox News or CNN headlines at face value and didn't discuss them?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yea, you can't just read the news and go huh. anymore, because the news is no longer "this is what happened." Now it's "OMG YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS YOU'RE GONNA HATE THAT this happened AND EVERYONE IS PISSED"

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Actually it’s really not at all. You’re probably just thinking about Reddit/lemmy/twitter posts when you write that.

Go on like NPR or C Span and actually read the news. It’s fine.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The number of those news outlets is shrinking, though. It used to be that every city had a local paper with real news. Now they're all part of a media conglomerate and do the bare minimum of actual journalism.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

support NPR and it's journalism across the US. Support your local station. And support local papers (not ganett rags and conglomerates).

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (6 children)

So much news is just reading the headline and seeing a photo now.

Mexico's new president: 3-year-old Alfredo Pequeño Lobo becomes nation's youngest elected and first canine leader. But can he be rough on the cartels?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The term may be 4 years but it will feel like 28 for him.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

It's actually a 6 year term for Mexico

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

Oh my I'm so invested in this story now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Ruff. "Can he be ruff on crime". It was right there!

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (4 children)

That’s what places like Lemmy are for though.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

Great for seeing a headline and then finding an article yourself. Less great for finding articles. Half of you people here have a penchant for linking super weird news sources.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Even Lemmy does that, though. You're still influenced by the headline, the community/moderation and the users.

Assuming that everyone clicks through to the article, and doesn't comment before reading the headline, anyhow.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

And at the news organization, you are influenced by the editors and framing by authors.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Lemmy is massively biased though. While that doesn't mean the articles aren't factual, you're still only ever hearing one side of the story. What I find time after time is that majority of people who have strong opinions about current events are completely uncapable of fairly steelmanning the opposing side's argument.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Agreed.

Lemmy, you are biased. You probably don't intend to be, but it's true for now.

Going to sound weird, but I came here because of who I knew the vocal people were. I didn't understand many of their view points and reasons for being mad/hateful/etc. I am much more enlightened now and learn different perspectives everyday.

It is a giant echo chamber though if you are already very rooted in the spectrum here, and voicing decent usually leads to dog pile.

This is related to attitudes about news, politics, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Sure, but you find out about things hours days or even weeks after they happen.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'm guilty of doing this (just reading the headlines) as well. I usually do it for these reasons:

  • I don't care enough to want to read more. For example, news about US politics. I don't live in the US. I feel that reading the headlines is enough to keep me informed about what's happening, but I really don't care any more than that.

  • The details aren't valuable to me. For example, the Apple anti-trust lawsuit... Is it important? Yes. I'm already well aware of the horrible anticonsumer practices of Apple. But do I need to know all the particular details about the lawsuit? Not really. In fact, the only thing that matters is the final verdict, which hasn't happened yet.

  • I care, but I already know enough details.

  • I don't feel like the article would bring a lot of value, especially if the title is click-baity. I've encountered too many articles that are void of content, just the title repeated in 10x more words.

I don't like visiting news sites because, in addition to all of them being obnoxious and ad riddled, I feel like I'm wasting a lot of time reading long articles that could be rewritten as 3 bullet points. On platforms like lemmy, users will highlight the important bits in the comments which saves a lot of time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I have grown to like https://www.axios.com/ for reasons like your last bullet point. Frequently they give 3-4 bullet points that tells you the story without a shit tone of editorializing.

[–] Cethin 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I think the bigger issue is how bad news sites have gotten. I'm sure part of the reason for that is people getting news online from alternative sources, but mainstream sources are significantly worse than they once were which just pushes things further in that direction.

That said, I don't know which caused more group-think. Was it having a few mainstream sources and that's it or having many worse quality but more diverse sources? People relate to the new version more probably, which encourages them to follow along and not think for themselves, but I don't know if that's better or worse than not really having any dissenting opinion available at all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah, bad news sites is the reason I didn't follow any news for years, I got burnt out verifying just about every article. Most bended the story one way or another, headlines usually not quite what the article read...

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

You can find out the event from the news, but then get the facts from industry experts. It's much better these days.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

I use 1440, which sums up daily news in a fact-based way and leaves out all opinion. It's magical. It takes 10 minutes to read and I'm not bombarded by why "libtards are destroying america" or why "this ties back to trump destroying democracy" somehow.

Highly recommend it for daily news.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's how I get my news. I visit the Finnish equivalence of BBC once or twice a day and that's my news diet. If they don't report on it, I don't need to know. Something like what a VOX journalist thinks about Twitter I couldn't care less so I don't even bother reading it. I'm proudly unaware of most of the things that non-serious news organizations report on.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Same for me with news from Germany. Technically tagesschau.de is a news magazine run by our largest public broadcaster and not the broadcaster itself, but it's the same thing really.

And then I casually browse news.google.com in German to skim over headlines that might not have made the mainstream news. My blocklist there features more than 200 "news" sites, so that I really get a curated feed of some 20-30 trustworthy ones.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I wish there was a whitelist instead of a blocklist for news.google.com

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Vox is a reputable and very thorough news source, though, usually worth the read.

This two-pager, for example, highlights false Twitter journalists popping in Baltimore to politically spin the recent bridge collapse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

That's not my point. What I'm saying is that I knowingly limit my news diet to what is the most important/interesting and this is neither so I'm not bothering my mind with it. I don't need to know and not knowing has zero effect on my life.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I get my news from a paper and it is a decent blend of good and bad news. Quality journalism. I gift articles often just to kinda fight back against the whole title-and-picture-only news.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I gift articles often

FYI if you do so on [email protected] you'll reach several hundred people.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'd read more articles if they weren't paywalled.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

APNews.com, relatively low bias, no paywall.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Try explaining that to a rightist, though. It’s not right-wing propaganda, therefore it is left-wing propaganda. 😔

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Reuters is also good and less USA Centric (at least for their notifications) which is a good thing for me because I am not from the USA, but AP is excellent too). I don't think you can even disable USA news in your "interests" with AP.

Both Reuters and AP are news agencies that sell news (and stuff like photos) to other news companies. So it's very likely that everyone here has read at least some content from them.

Both are also often regarded as among the most reliable and least biased news sources available. AFP is also in that group.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

A few months back, i subscribed to the news aggregator Ground News. Although there are more expensive options, i pay about $6/year and I love it. You get news stories from lots of different sites and gives you a good idea of biases. I highly recommend it!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

For me it's RSS, Lemmy, and suprisingly YouTube as I can get the major news sources( eg BBC, CNN, FT, DT, MSNBC) chunked up into specific topics so I don't have to sit through a bunch of garbage to get to the topics I care about. And I get it from more sources.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I started building an aggregator “start page” that has become my new news homepage - https://s.marko.tech - just to solve this problem

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Watching CSPAN is weird now. It used to be more boring but some the more recent ones have felt I was watching a behind the scenes show where each person was saying things so perfectly crafted for sound bites they seem incongruent with what someone else would say.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Honestly I think a big part of people looking at headlines and pictures is closely related to people's attention span. Why read many words when less is better. Those same people can't hold conversations for more than a minute or two on the subject then it spirals into speculations which is where the misinformation starts to take place. Society is bombarded with so much information hour by hour people don't want to miss anything so they skim through an immense amount of partial information. It's wild and I'm guilty of it myself so I'm in no place to speak ill of anyone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The dark forest of the Internet is driving this migration of human Internet traffic. It is not a fault but rather a result.

https://youtu.be/JrcbH0ge2WE?si=abGT5LDb7Zk3uo4W

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