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Why do people here really not like Trotskyists? (hexbear.net)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Why do people here really not like Trotskyists? Is it just because of his beef with Stalin and not an actual criticism of his views? Do people really not think a global movement would be superior for the betterment of all people?

Edit: Thank you to everyone who provided context and history, y’all are a wealth of knowledge.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The socialist revolution begins on the national arena, it unfolds on the international arena, and is completed on the world arena. Thus, the socialist revolution becomes a permanent revolution in a newer and broader sense of the word; it attains completion, only in the final victory of the new society on our entire planet.

I’m sure I am just misunderstanding the broader definition of permanent revolution, but this seems to summarize the way I see it.

To me this doesn’t seem to oppose socialism in one country, but rather just make it the first step, which can be taken in tandem with an international movement.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

How does one make socialism "in tandem" with countries where socialist movements (if there are any at all) don't hold state power? Trotsky's solution was to make war on them. And this was directly after the devastation of the Russian civil war.

History has shown that the PRC's model of non-interference is the correct one: build your own industrial base and material conditions, make friendly relations with all countries regardless of their leaders and their politics, build international socialisms by respecting other people's autonomy.