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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Hard sell. Also, say through collective action we actually somehow get governments to pay for a $20,000 battery for every home. How will you make that many, who will install them, who will maintain and replace them? You need a very large number of trained electricians and manufacturing capacity to make that a reality. You also need to plan for and earmark funds for replacements to make it not a complete waste. Just throwing out batteries as a solution is way easier said than done. There are a lot of barriers. That is why things take time.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Nuclear is about $6k per KWatt. Solar with battery is about $5k per KWatt.

If it's cost effective to build and maintain a nuclear reactor for $6k per KWatt, then it can also be done with the cheaper solar.

Yes it takes lots of money, people and planning. So does operating a coal mine. No one says, "We can't have coal power, where are all the trained miners going to come from? Someone will need to drive that coal to the powerplant and that power plant will need trained electricians. It's a huge problem!"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Yes it takes lots of money, people and planning. So does operating a coal mine

I think the problem from the capitalist standpoint is that its not a very profitable business model, well thats fine then the public sector should do it just like we do the roads and other essential services. But no politician in america would even have the balls to propose that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I hate to tell you, very few places are building new nuclear plants as well.

The Fossil industries have lobbyists and money on their side yes, but their infrastructure also already exists. That's our biggest challenge. And it takes functional governments looking out for the interests of citizens to build and/or subsidize infrastructure. And functional government takes an educated and engaged electorate.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

very few places are building new nuclear plants as well

And because there are few plants being built, the cost is design is massive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

And a government that's willing to continue funding a growing expense to nuclear reactors such as maintenance or when building one goes over budget.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

*Hate to be nitpicky, but a lot of assumptions go into a "$/kW" LCOE. Your effective costs for the solar + battery are going to be very different in different parts of the world depending on factors such as seasons, land value & labour.

Also not a lot of nuclear is being built atm anywhere unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like we got a (green) new deal work program on our hands. Nice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Yes, that's what it will take. And we're going to have to fight like hell for it.