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u/Outside_Bug6347 - originally from r/GenZhou
Got banned from other subreddits for this but here I go again. I consider myself a socialist, very pro Cuba, Vietnam and Laos, highly critical of Stalin and Moa but sympathetic to modern day China. Even though I have qualms with Moa (cultural revolution was a bit of a flop but I know that wasn’t his fault entirely and it had positives) and after reading a lot of work in the gulags Stalin did seem to be overly authoritarian though he did raise quality of life for many people. My main problem with this sort of modern communist Reddit community is the defence of North Korea. I do not think North Korea is defensible, South Koreans enjoy a quality of life that is clearly higher and it’s almost impossible for me to wrap my brain around anyone defending that regime. Thoughts?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

u/ComradeBeans17 - originally from r/GenZhou

Prison system

Any specific issue with it?

Lack of free speech

Free speech for who?

The working class or the reactionaries? What makes you think the DPRK has any less freedom of speech than any other existing socialist state? Freedom of speech is a bourgeois ideal.

Oligarchical monarchy

Have you looked at their constitution comrade?

"Article 4: The sovereignty of the DPRK resides in the workers, peasants, working intellectuals and all other working people. The working people exercise power through their representative organs—the Supreme People’s Assembly and local people’s assemblies at all levels.

Article 5: All the State organs in the DPRK are formed and function on the principle of democratic centralism.

Article 6: The organs of State power at all levels, from the county People’s Assembly to the SPA, are elected on the principle of universal, equal and direct suffrage by secret ballot.

Article 7: Deputies to the organs of State power at all levels have close ties with their constituents and are accountable to them for their work. The electors may recall the deputies they have elected if the latter are not to be trusted.

Section I: The Supreme People’s Assembly Article 87: The Supreme People’s Assembly is the highest organ of State power in the DPRK."

Etc. Etc. You should have a look at it yourself. The DPRK is not a monarchy by any means.

Little development except in military sector

Strange that you find this aspect indefensible. This is the easiest thing to defend. Songun politics emphasizes military development because the DPRK was bombed into oblivion by imperialists. We are talking about a country who's southern half is occupied by a the USA which is still technically at war with the DPRK. The US is on the border running drills with the SK army, threatening the sovereignty of the DPRK. How can the DPRK put all of it's focus on economic development while it's vulnerable to imperialism?

This is an unfortunate reality which has been forced on the DPRK by imperialism

I highly recommend watching Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul and my brothers and sisters in the North

I find it odd that you've come to supporting all other AES besides the DPRK. They aren't really any different.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

u/Outside_Bug6347 - originally from r/GenZhou
I’ve read that the prisons utilize extreme torture and it kind of is a monarchy given the head of state is the son of the previous head of state no?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

u/oddmaus - originally from r/GenZhou
These people literally give you indepth replies and all you just say to them is "I've read somewhere they torturre people.."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

u/ComradeBeans17 - originally from r/GenZhou
What sources are you reading exactly?

And what evidence have those sources supplied to you that substantiate these claims?

Absolutely no to all of this.

If you would like to watch some DPRK media I can leave you links at the bottom of this. Some things you can read to.

head of state is the son of the previous head of state no?

So? Raul Castro lead Cuba after Fidel and liberals used the same attack against them until Raul stepped down.

Tons of US politicians are related does that make the USA a monarchy? Do you know what a monarchy is? (I do not mean this an an insult) I'll quickly state the fact that Kim Jong Un is Chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the DPRK and Chairman of the Workers Party of Korea. He was elected to both of these positions. A monarch isn't elected.

A comrade on reddit here has wrote up a good piece debunking this idea that the DPRK is a monarchy, here

You should also check out those 2 documentaries in my other comment I think they'll help you start to see through the propaganda. Sounds like you've read some false defector stories.

For a look at the DPRK check out Phuong DPRK amazing youtube channel full of DPRK media.

Explore DPRK

Korean Friendship Association USA

You have obviously seen through the slander of the other existing socialist states, keep in mind that this is no different. The imperialists want you to hate the DPRK as much as they want you to hate China.