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I'm still sceptical about the PS5 Pro being real (lemmy.zip)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by MaddieTian to c/playstation

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In the last 24 hours the supposed specs for the PlayStation 5 Pro have leaked online.

Basically the RAM is slightly faster, the CPU has a high frequency mode making it 10% faster than a standard PS5 and the GPU is around 45% faster and supports something called PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution Upscaling.

The PS5 Pro will also feature a removable disc drive and a paltry 1TB SSD. 1TB isn’t enough for the standard PS5, it definitely won’t be enough for a Pro when the games are likely to be even larger.

Rumours suggest the Pro will launch Q4 2024. However Sony have said there will be no big first party releases until April 2025. Would they really launch new hardware without a big showcase game for it? I doubt it.

But the lack of first party games this year isn’t the reason I’m skeptical the PS5 Pro exists.

The PS5 is in its 4th year and we’re STILL getting PlayStation 4 games, and not just indie games either.

F1 24 is a cross-gen game. Grounded and System Shock will release on PS4 too. The PS5 Pro is simply not needed. Especially when there are few games that take full advantage of the standard PS5 hardware now, more than 3 years into life.

Then there’s cost. The PS5 Slim is £479.99 so what would the Pro cost? £600, £700 or maybe even more.

Even if it’s £600 that’s a lot of money for console when you consider the PlayStation 6 is likely coming in 2027, just 3 years after the PS5 Pro, if it exists.

But let’s not forget the people “leaking” these specs were 100% certain that we’d have the Switch Pro by now and we just don’t. It does not exist, and until I see Sony announcing the PlayStation 5 Pro I will continue being sceptical that the PS5 Pro exists.

Do you think the PS5 Pro is real and would you buy one?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Consoles have become far too reliant on hardware sales figures for their business model. Anyone buying this is only doing so as a status symbol; it's the SUV of the gaming world.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

it's the SUV of the gaming world.

SUVs are supposed to be status symbols?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Would anything else make sense?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

A need for passenger and cargo space?

[–] MaddieTian 1 points 6 months ago

They are when they are bought by people that live in towns and cities and only use them for the school run.

[–] Dudewitbow 2 points 6 months ago

double for Sony too.

theres a reason why Sony builds things like the PSVR, the Portal, proprietary protocol headsets and stuff for the Playstation. they have a bunch of talented engineers but doesnt have as many homemade dev studios to support it software wise, hence their dev studios are more or less acquisitions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Actually quite the opposite consoles are actually way more afforable as far as gaming goes IF you dont need pc. If you already need pc than it is better to just spend more money on the PC.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The only people who want/can afford consoles but don't need a computer are kids, and kids don't need a luxury console with no games

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Thats just not true plenty of pepole either dont have the need for a computer or even if they do need computer for work its a laptop/pc bought by company the work for that they cant use to game.

In fact as far as i can see the opposite is true and you need the computer when you are a kid to do an ocasional presentation for a school lesson or sometimes some more fancy stuff if your school has some basic it lessons ( i for example had to do a website ) while the smartphone is basicaly everything you need in your adult life.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

If it's not too much more (wishful thinking I know) maybe I'll get it since I've been thinking on/off about getting one.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The problem is that it doesn't really make sense for a PS5 Pro to exist. The userbase is still too small to justify everyone moving off of PS4 even now. Splitting the userbase is not a good idea, especially if the Pro version is nothing more than a graphics upgrade with no new gameplay features. Sony will end up creating the same Series S vs. Series X headache that Microsoft is facing. Any proposed improvements should really be rolled into a PS6, and launched in 2027 or whenever.

Of course, there's nothing stopping Sony from making one anyways.

[–] Dudewitbow 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

the 3DS launched the New 3DS when it had about 40m sales, which is around where the PS5 stands. The PS4 was also in a similar tange when the PS4P launched.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Wasn't the new 3DS just a bigger 3DS with some minor changes? I don't remember any mention of improved graphical ability.

The 3DS wasn't that successful BTW. PS4 Pro didn't sell that well either. PS5 Pro will probably do even worse as it is likely to be expensive.

[–] MaddieTian 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The New 3DS did have more power than the standard 3DS and 15 games were released the only worked on the New 3DS, most notably Xenoblade Chronicles 3D.

Also the SNES handheld virtual console was New 3DS only.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

You learn something new everyday. That said, the new 3DS seems like a bad idea even at the time. It must have only caused confusion and probably didn't sell that well.

[–] Dudewitbow 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

thats the 3DSXL

the n3ds had more ram, faster cpu, better 3d camera and integrated right circle pad

also not sell well? maybe at launch. it ended its life at 75M sold which is higher than a LOT of older devices. thats basically PSP sales comparitively.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Why does Sony think that 1tb is acceptable for a console these days? It's not uncommon for a single game to take up over 150gb.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

They give you an NVME slot that's a first class citizen. That seems perfectly fine to me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Storage prices. I mean they already get it at a discount but it's the easiest way to "cut costs for the consumer" without heavily affecting performance. And Sony has been really good about giving you options to personally upgrade it. Do I wish I could just pay more for a bigger size version? sure. But this is one way they get their hardware to the "console price"

And not for nothing. Low storage has been an issue on consoles since like always. Looking at you 360 hard drives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

An option would be nice. I'm not going to assume that I know what it costs to manufacture consoles at the scale that Sony does, but the price difference between a single 1tb SSD and a 2tb is like $80 for me. I'd gladly pay that much more for a PS5 that I didn't have to either delete games off every few months or buy an ugly peripherial drive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

You can buy and add a 2TB SSD that goes inside for a little over $100. You just pop off the side panel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Than just buy ssd for ps5 . Sony does allow you to just add another drive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

1Tb is perfectly reasonable for a base-level PS5 IMO — it keeps the costs down for all of those people who just want to buy their kids a gaming system, but who don’t really care about the specs or having hundreds of games. And internationally, a PS5 can be an expensive purchase in many countries — so keeping the costs down for those consumers is useful.

But a Pro model is already something that only real fanatics and people with disposable income are going to buy. So yeah — only having 1TB of installed storage does seem a bit paltry. It’s possible there are technical limitations involved (the built in SSD is massively parallel to hit the I/O targets, and could possibly require a redesign to support higher capacities), but otherwise it just seems paltry for a Pro model.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Its not technical limitations because they sell larger ssd's that are perfectly compatible with the ps5.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The m.2 SSD’s are run off a different bus than the ones soldered into the board.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But it works fine to play ps5 games so not a technical limitation. Its a price limitation

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Depends on if the libraries being used for high speed I/O have certain expectations as to how many parallel ops can be made at once. Recall that the PS5 I/O complex contains the following components:

Dedicated DMA Controller
Dedicated Decompression Chip
2 I/O Co-processors
On chip SRAM
Coherency chip ( which link to the GPU Scrubbers in the diagram as Cerny informed )

If any of those components have any sizing limitations that limit the size of the SSD, then they’d have to be redesigned (and potentially have every existing PS5 title upgraded) to make use of any such expanded storage. Hopefully Sony didn’t paint themselves into such a corner — but, well, I’ll just wave my hands towards the PS3 Cell processor and say no more.

Unless you’re talking about just having Sony stick a m.2 SSD into our hypothetical PS5 Pro and go with that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I mean all their fancy shit is nice and all but when you can add a m.2 and run ps5 games off it. Their "technical limitations" are shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

They don't, which is why they include an expansion slot. They're just keeping the sticker price low, knowing that it needs an upgrade.

[–] MaddieTian 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I’d say 2TB is the absolute MINIMUM.

At least the PS5 doesn’t require proprietary SSD’s to upgrade the storage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

True. Upgrading my PS3 back in the day was hell.

[–] MaddieTian 1 points 6 months ago

It wasn’t too bad. It’s just a 2.5” HDD. Or SSD now they’re dirt cheap.

[–] tamlyn 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The ps3 also support normal hdd, just lose screw and replace the hdd it. Was quite simple. But i had the big PS3. Did you had a different one?

[–] MaddieTian 1 points 6 months ago

I still use a fat and a slim and they both have a 2.5” bay. I’ve never used a super slim so they could be different. Don’t they have storage built in on the board?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

It really is not. I also thought that 1tb would be too small and i would have to buy another drive. As it turns out you can fit all the games on the 1tb drive. Does it mean i have to unistall games a bit more often. Yes. Do i care? . No. Honestly going from 500gb ps4 to 1tb ps5 was more than enough. As it turns out ps5 games did not get really largel and some even got smaller going from ps4 to ps5.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Thought I was being overkill getting a 4tb SSD

Then I downloaded Jedi: Survivor, and I'm happy I splurged, because now I won't have to worry about storage for a while.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I remember being genuinely astounded to see that GTA V on PS3 was eight gigabytes. That was by far the highest storage size of any PS3 game i ever saw. On a 160gb system, I could still install twenty GTA Vs. How many AAA games can you install on a 1tb PS5? Like maybe 12?

[–] MaddieTian 3 points 6 months ago

The mandatory install was 8GB but the whole game was 17.1GB.

Still a shit load smaller than the subsequent remasters.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

For comparison, GTA V on PC is ≈72GB minimum, and ≈87GB on PS5

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Would they really release hardware without a big game to showcase it...?

Yes. They've done so in the past. And, I mean, you can still use current games to show off an improvement in performance. Especially when Performance mode in a lot of games for the system utilize dynamic resolution and graphic changes to keep the FPS smooth; it could look prettier while still maintaining the desired FPS.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Faster load times on games like Baldur's Gate 3 would be a really welcome upgrade. The game loads like 10x faster on my PC than it does on my PS5.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Can't say the idea of a PS5 Pro appeals to me at all. I picked up a slim just a few weeks ago. No way am I gonna chuck it aside and buy an updated model when the slim is perfectly capable of getting the job done.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Sounds like a bunch of hype for what amounts to them being forced to do a large board revision because of a deprecated BOM. Anyone actually looked at the physical hardware that has changed; not what the sales monkeys are trying to huck.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

i have like 0 knowledge but my random guess is yes it's real

[–] [email protected] -4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Stop posting links to steam if your such a console fanboy. Blocking my ass from Xbox and shit because I speak my mind. Pssshh

[–] MaddieTian 0 points 6 months ago

I haven’t blocked you from anything.