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[–] [email protected] 292 points 1 year ago (8 children)

This is your hourly reminder that Brave is still Chromium and still contributes to Google's influence over internet standards.

[–] [email protected] 166 points 1 year ago (39 children)

Iirc Firefox and I think Safari are the only major non-chromium browsers. It makes me so sad because I remember Google’s “don’t be evil” days… man they left that behind

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago

they've lived long enough to become the bad guys

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Safari already has attestation, has for a while, so while its at least a different browser, it’s still part of the problem.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting. I didn't know that. Safari is a piece of shit for other reasons too

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Example reason why Safari is shit: It's Safari

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (5 children)

the CEO is also a homophobic bigot and covid denier

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Had no idea! Thanks I’m getting off brave!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Thanks for pointing this out! I was already using Firefox, but after looking this up I found out that they also got rid of him for being homophobic.

Firefox it is!

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[–] [email protected] 171 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I hate to be a pessimist but if people hate Musk as much as they seem to, but can't leave twitter,

or post "Fuck Spez" thousands of times, but won't leave reddit,

I'm cautious about how much of an exodous I expect to see from chrome.

I think its time we face the fact that most people will trade almost anything for convenience.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate.

Sure. And here we are. I'm sure these companies consider us a real fly in the ointment. But I'm not inclined to believe the past is perfectly predictive of the future. What you described is also, in my perspective, how things have gone in the past. But will it happen the same way this time? I don't know. I'm not confident based on what I've seen. They are trying to close in the walls on the internet and they are confident that people are too lazy to stop them.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If Internet Explorer managed to fall from 96% market share to complete irrelevance, Chrome is not immortal either.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

You arent wrong. But, acectdata and mine own, convenience drove that. People are fucking lazy and hate nothing more than to be inconvenienced. When chrome was getting traction, explorer was trasshhhhhhhhh and every one knew it.

Chrome might be a bit bloated but its no explorer. If it doesn't hurt people to stay, I don't think we'll see a shift.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You made me proud of myself! I have left all three!

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

I just switched yesterday after learning more about why I should here in Lemmy.

The last time I tried FF (many years ago) it was incredibly slow, so I went with chrome. But the FF of today is actually noticably quicker.

Also, FF offered to import all of my bookmarks, autofills, passwords, history, and even my extensions (if a FF version exists of course, almost all of which did) and did so seamlessly. It was the easiest software switch ever.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I can't believe people still use Chrome, Firefox is better by a mile.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Idk, I've used both browsers and I prefer Chrome in terms of features and UI. But it's not worth the privacy you get with Firefox

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

same problem we had back in the ie5/6 days: it was just there and most people don't care. i physically cringe when i watch co-workers using chrome with not even a basic adblocker installed, klicking away ads, promts, pop-ups, videos and whatnot just to access a news article. it's horrible!

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

People switched because "it's the fastest" but that hasn't been my experience with it at all. Sure, it LOOKS more minimalistic than Firefox, but it's a RAM and CPU hog that litters my computer with Google trash.

People still download it because "it's the fastest"

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Showing people that they can avoid ads by switching from chromium might make more people use adblockers.

I get flabbergasted whenever I talk to someone and realize they're unaware that such things exist. I hope all (according to the google store entry for ublock origin) 10,000,000 of the ublock origin users switches from chromium based browsers to, say, firefox...

Feels like chromium is the new internet explorer...

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

That's why Google is trying to launch the "Web Integrity API" that will essentially allow them to mandate any website accessible to or using Google Services to ban browsers that have ad blockers.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I know a lot of Chrome users, and the general story I get from them is nearly always the same infuriating bullshit along these lines:

"So, I tried the like, Fox Fire thingy, but this one time, like, it took, like, 1.5 seconds to load, so it's """""""""slow""""""""" so I just use Chrome 'cause it's, like, faster and stuff."

Yeah, and I suppose the 427 useless things you have running in your system tray right now don't have anything to do with your computer being "slow," right?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wouldn't those 427 things make chrome slow too

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Firefox Mobile is great, Being able to add extensions is just wonderful.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly I cant live without UBlock Origin after using it for so long. The modern web is so horrible with ads

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You wish that was happening.

I'm preparing to be completely unsurprised that Firefox's market share will still be at 3% next month and the month after that.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (8 children)

If I had to choose between a tracked, ad-filled experience and a slower, protected experience, I would go back to 1990s style Internet in a second.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

A few years back when Firefox went through the whole "Quantum" update, I jumped and never looked back. It's just better in every way, in my opinion.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What's the advantage for google of doing this move? People "savy" enough to install an adblock (or even know that it exists) is most likely to switch to a competitor that allows for adblocking

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Majority will keep using, for a while, until years later more see what has happened and move.

Mean while profits on marketing go up.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I think firefox should ship with ublock origin installed. (Perhaps also containers).

Hopefully then more people will migrate faster

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

As a user of Linux and primarily FOSS software for 2 years, each time I recommended something FOSS, others had bad luck.

  • I tried switching someone to Linux but I couldn't achive %100 funnctionality on a Windows only app I set up via Wine. (it is an obscure program, not sth like Adobe or MS Office)
  • I recommended Kdenlive to a Mac user friend, he couldn't export a video he spent 30 hours on it.
  • I convinced someone to use Libreoffice but they lost data in only 30 mins because I forgot to tell that if you draw more than a few strokes in LO Draw it enters a save loop. This is fixed now thankfully.
  • I recommended VLC for DVD ripping, it entered some sort of loop and failed to export.

Each of the above examples involve completely different people, by the way.

  • I set up 2 fresh Windows installs for family but installed Firefox with strict protection and uBlock Origin instead of Chrome and... it worked?! They still use Firefox. Maybe the alpenglow theme is too good, I don't know.
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

In the old days I used Firefox exclusively, until my work started only supporting chrome so I kinda went with it and switched. Out of habit I continued until a couple of years ago, that I went full Firefox again and I remembered why I loved it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never left. Never would leave. Chrome was always a trap.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

people when they learn about unlock origin works better with firefox

I bet most people saying chrome is faster don't even know about adblockers or are using Google's websites

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have for a long time been on Firefox. It's stable and works great.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I started using Firefox as my browser at work because I hate trying to use profiles and I'm a convert! It's really great!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Google: Not this time

unleashes web integrity API

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if Firefox couldnt block ads just like chrome, I still would prefer it. So much nicer in every way.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I use adblockers, my wife does not. Regardless of the ads, we both switched from Chrome to Firefox this year solely due to the memory usage.

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