If they have to "allow" it, they haven't been beaten hard enough.
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Doesn't seem like they ever will be. They have an answer to everything lawmakers come up with. Consumers are the only group that could punish Apple in a meaningful way, and at this point, that's definitely not in the cards either.
Baloney. Consumers didn't do shit - only state power has curtailed their abuses.
Stop this fatalist expectation that we'd have to shop our way out it. This is what regulation is for. It works. All we have to do is do it.
That's what I was getting at. Consumers still buy the damn things, even though they're manufactured by this toxic company. Can't fault them for it either. They are pretty, after all. So we're going to have to trust regulations. Regulations, however, always seem to be one step behind, don't they? EU just forced the implementation of USB-C in all devices. Great. Pretty soon, those devices will all be tied to proprietary wireless charging stations. Maybe, hopefully, time will prove me wrong.
I've lost all patience for people whose hot take is that laws can't work.
Of course, laws can work. Why are you putting words in my mouth? Take a breath, and go outside. There's lots of laws working just fine. My problem is with companies that are too big to fail, employing better lawyers than regulators could ever afford. I say split those companies up into bits that regulators actually handle.
Here are the words from your mouth:
They have an answer to everything lawmakers come up with. Consumers are the only group that could punish Apple in a meaningful way
Regulations, however, always seem to be one step behind, don’t they?
Congratulations on this new suggestion of trust-busting to fix that, but please do not pretend it's my fault for reading where you suggested it's unfixable. Or I'm sorry, unfixable "in any meaningful way."
You're showing so much patience with me, thank you. Copying my words back to me when coming up with new ones doesn't work. Here I am trying to have this dialogue with you, but all you seem interested in is picking a fight with me. I sincerely hope that regulators will win the fight, I'm just not as confident as you that they will. Can we maybe leave it at that? I wish you nothing but good things, a nice weekend too.
'What you wrote the first two times sounded exactly like what you accused me of making up.'
'Wow, touch grass.'
Good dialogue, super valid.
Especially when you're still reiterating the undercurrent of pessimism that I'm criticizing in the first place. 'Companies just out-spend regulators. I have no faith it will work out. Oh well, agree to disagree!'
You have got to be the most aggressive cheerleader out there. Have you never encountered someone with pessimistic viewpoints before? I got news for you, we're out here, and there's reasons that the sentiment is alive and kicking. Good luck trying to pummel people into being more optimistic. The way you're going about it? Not the most elegant. Though, perhaps if you're patient, we might join you in rainbow unicorn land eventually. Who knows. Lol.
You need to review how you've acted in this thread.
I said Apple needs to be hit harder. You said they probably never will be. You said only consumers could help. I said that's fatalist bullshit. You've since insisted you'd never be fatalist about this... while being fatalist in literally every comment. Quoting you to prove it just makes you scoff louder.
And now you want to scold me for a tone that is largely imaginary. Listen: when I am being an asshole, I'm not fucking shy about it. I know exactly how I prod people in internet arguments. So when I tell you you're projecting, it's not some insistence I've never done wrong or been rude, it is frustration for how you're ignoring why and how I am actually giving you shit. If you're going to whinge about being hassled then the least you can do is recognize what you're being hassled about.
Adding to that list: tone policing is abuse. If I read this haranguing (aggressive cheerleader, pummeling people!) and tell you where to shove it, well, that must prove the haranguing was right! No way a middle finger is a valid response when 'calm down, honey' is lobbed at, say, one sentence expressing disinterest. Or if you'd prefer a direct quote, "take a breath, and go outside." Sure, guy who responded to my top-level comment, clearly I am picking a fight with you, by being exasperated with the shit you keep saying. Your bickering on this website is totally different from my bickering on this website.
Obviously I should bend over backwards to please you, o sainted pessimist. Arguing just makes you double down. Right? "Good luck trying to pummel people into being more optimistic." God forbid anyone try unconscionable language like "baloney" or "stop." You must coaxed gently from the ledge, with soft pillows and a lilting voice. I mean god fucking dammit, aggressive cheerleader, are you so pig-ignorant you've never heard of pessimism? The thing you're criticizing? News flash about that group you're tired of. They exist! I'm sorry we can't all live in the magical fantasy land where everything goes right forever, la dee dee da da.
Gosh, why can't you just have this dialogue with me? You seem disinterested for some reason.