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We're in an obesity epidemic and most people don't know how to cook even very basic meals.

Make space for it, squish other classes if you need. Make it mandatory, everyone has to take it. Maybe even ongoing through multiple grades.

Edit: Rice, beans, and even basic meats are cheap. To eat healthy you don't need your meal to be 100% Bell peppers and tomatoes.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (6 children)

A massive contributor to obesity is the cost of healthy food versus non healthy food.

[–] Efwis 14 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I agree. The cost of pre-made foods with a bunch of chemicals is way cheaper than fresh.

I can go to my local store and pay $40(USD) for some steak versus $4(USD) for a box of hamburger helper and $6(USD) for a pound of hamburger or even $6(USD) for a bag of fresh carrots versus 50 cents for a can of carrots, with preservatives.

Another thing too is the fact that pre-made foods are quicker to cook than fresh foods. Once again the hamburger helper contrast. It takes about 15 minutes to make the “meal” versus 45 minutes to an hour to cook the same dish from scratch with fresh food.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Why are you looking at steak? Chicken is far cheaper. If you can make friends with a hunter you can probably get cheap meat of some variety from them.

Used to be people knew how to plan ahead for meals.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was an obvious example. Not meant as a literal

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The higher price point of steak makes it more of a special meal, and not that obvious. Chicken, Pork, or Ground Beef would be a more approachable example to use.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Aren't vegetables and seeds cheaper than processed food?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

but then you have to cook th... wait a second

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Sorry to hear

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Rice, beans, and even basic meats are cheap.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That's a huge part of it, but being equipped with knowledge still makes a pretty big difference, making something like an Aglio e Olio is going to be quite a bit healthier comparatively than a can of chef boyardee overloaded with sugar and salt and for a minimally longer time investment.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

There is a reason they intentionally do not teach basic life skills in school. Just like they do not teach you about money, taxes and finance.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is no conspiracy. Try teaching paying taxes to someone who won’t have to do it for a couple of years. There’s zero interest.

Instead you’re taught everything you - realistically - should need to know in order to learn by yourself, how to pay taxes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

People just like complaining. Guaranteed if we taught taxes to high schoolers they'd complain that it's one of the more boring required classes like government and econ. Kids already hate reading assignments and math enough without taxes involved.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

To be fair, there's zero interest in most of what is taught in schools. Kids hate learning for the most part, unless it's a rare topic that truly engages them. They'd rather be anywhere but school.

We teach wealthy kids these important life skills, but we don't teach the poorer kids. Hmmm.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do they not teach home economics anymore?

Also, a lot of finance applicable stuff is found in math. It's no coincidence that the majority of people don't know finances and the majority of people also brag about how much they ignored or hated math class.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I took home economics, learned about cooking and sewing. 10/10, would recommend.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

if i could go back and re-pick my high school classes, i would definitely have opted for home ec electives.

all i got in school was a trimester of home ec (which included sewing and cooking) each year of junior high. it was part of the core classes everybody took.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While I agree that everyone should have at least some understanding of cooking, the problem of obesity isn't directly related to knowing how to cook. It has far more to do with the accessibility of certain types of food in a given community. The horribly unhealthy food is often a fraction of the cost of fresh, healthy food. It's not necessarily the case that don't know/want to cook their own healthy meals, it's that they literally can't afford to do so.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's impossible to even start if you don't know how to cook.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

True, but it’s impossible to do no matter what you know if it’s unaffordable

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Cooking class was mandatory in my school in the 90s. We learned how to make muffins from scratch, some basic (and I mean very basic) meals, and some basic home cleaning. It was better than nothing, but I was able to see who had never been shown any of it before. I had grew up cooking for myself, and I was expected to help with dishes. So none of it was that new to me. But some of the kids had never touched unprepared food before. Some had never washed a dish before. It was obvious which ones were going to grow up still not knowing how to cook for themselves beyond microwave meals and takeout.

A single course isn't going to do much to help guide a kid into being a healthy adult. Basic life skills should be a graduated course in every single year of grade school. It's the only way to engrain it into everyday life.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If you make it mandatory, you have to accommodate every student's dietary requirements.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

here in germany it was mandatory and they did force me to cook and eat things i didn't eat. I'm vegetarian but they tried to force me to eat and cook it. i also don't eat specific other things because i hate their taste and they forced me to eat this bs.

fuck this "mandatory" courses. it's not helping to live healthy. it's forcing children to do stuff they don't want to do and gives them bad grades for it. i got bad grades just because i was vegetarian and didn't eat meat. fuck this.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It sounds like the actual problem was teachers / curriculum.

Here's the fun question though. If they had vegetarian options to choose from and people weren't dicks about you being vegetarian what would your opinion be?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Obviously you shouldn't force anyone to eat what they can't eat.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Which sounds nice until you realize the reality of all schools actually work, and how a lot of teachers actually think.

“Well the state says we have to do this in the state says you have to eat it, so you have to eat it ”

“But teacher that’s not what the law actually says “

“Don’t talk back to me you have detention “

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That sounds nice but misses the point of the problem. See the posts about food costs in this thread for one. Another issue is that schools here are woefully underfunded. When you can barely fix the roof, mitigate mold, buy textbooks for core classes, afford to let teachers use the copy machines or have enough basic office supplies, etc, etc, etc, cooking classes and their facilities/materials costs are kind of a (possibly lead) pipe dream. But lets face it, if schools did get funded to the level they deserved too many parents would simply make sure that money got redirected towards the school's football team.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is the unpopular part: Do it. Cut whatever else. Increase taxes. This is priority. There is a obesity epidemic.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are, all kids do Food Technology in Secondary School in the UK, where we learn to cook various things.

I agree that they should also be mandatory in other countries, cooking is one of those things everyone needs to learn, and if their parents are too lazy to teach them, schools must step in.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this an unpopular opinion? Life skills classes are a great idea, my current high schooler took Culinary (geared more towards commercial kitchens but still cooking) and is taking financial literacy this year.

If physical education is mandatory, I agree that nutrition & cooking class, as well as budgeting/financial class, are part of a comprehensive education. I think they should bring back sex ed too.

Being able to cook well is more a function of experience, all my kids can cook now, because they like to eat and it's the easiest and most affordable way to get good meals. But the one who took the class does show more interest at a younger age.

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