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i swear we are trying, but people happen to be DYING in the meantime (lemmy.cafe)

submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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this is a meta-commentary post about a prevailing sentiment that results in spam in this community.
i support ranked choice voting/STAR voting. and you should too!
go to https://fairvote.org/ranked-choice-voting-legislation/ to learn more and find legislation you can campaign for in your region.

but i swear by this point, we know. we are aware. the same point doesn’t need to be spammed every 3 comments. if it was as easy to overcome as copypasting the same four paragraphs every post, we’d have thrown off this oppression by now.

this wouldn’t be a problem if the spam wasn’t inserted into the most irrelevant of spaces. people are dying, their rights are being stripped. and yes, RCV would help this but politics is about working within the confines of current reality, not a hypothetical scenario where we fixed things 6 years ago.

just cool it with the spam. engage with each other as humans, not concepts to be dealt with.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Reminds of that recent video about the Palestinian genocide where he has to repeatedly affirm that he condemns Hamas: for any topic there are these go-to comments that feel obligatory to append to a post to get them over with

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

yes, exactly. not only is is annoying, but it’s annoyance rooted in a victim-blaming model of understanding oppression.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'd think we'd want to get rid of the Electoral College first. Yeah? Or no?

From a messaging standpoint I'd think it'd be difficult to change both at once. But either would be helpful, yes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

i think no? speaking as a non-expert i believe some local and state governments have RCV already implemented. and of course the electoral college is federal only. imo both should happen, but the order might not be altogether important.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The electoral college is a huge problem. Suppose a largish states introduces RCV and ends up electing third party in a presidential election. Now if neither candidate reaches enough electors, the election is tossed to Congress.

RCV is a great solution for state-level/local elections, but at the national level you will first want to change the system.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

this makes a lot of sense. thanks for your clarification and example. :)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Technically we're a lot closer to that one at the moment. Well, not directly abolishing the Electoral College per se. I don't have the details handy at the moment because I'm on mobile and my phone keeps closing my Lemmy client when i try to tab out to do anything and I lose my comment.

But if you don't know about it, there's this thing called something like the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Basically it's an agreement where states that have signed onto it pledge to give their Electors to whoever wins the national popular vote. It's set to take effect as soon as enough states sign on that they account for the 50%+1 electors to win the college. I'm sure I'm not going to get the number right but I wanna say last I knew they were like 20 something short?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

You're fighting a thankless battle in seeking civility and rationality in an online setting, but please know you are appreciated.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

The biggest thing is it would allow you to vote for the positives you want rather than the negatives you don't.

One question I've always had is how such a system would be affected by the unequal distribution of voting power in different states.

Would it be about the same/worse/better? There's so many unknowns and so little data.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

I've been donating to fairvote Washington for quite some time. Keep up the good fight, my friend. RCV is coming to Seattle soon...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Except in my version of this the darkest timeline; the masses will not understand anything other than FPTP as complexities scare them in to irrational fear

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Same thing used to be true of social security, black people being allowed to vote, weed being legal, and lots of other things, until things changed

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

There are already places that use IRV in the US and there has never been a significant issue with this. IRV is certainly better than what we have, but for my money, I think STAR is the way to go, there's still issues with strategic voting in IRV with situations that make good-faith votes hurt the voter, but it's still a lot better than the circus we have now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

We are in this darkest timeline. I was speaking to an older family member who lives in Alaska where RCV exists and she kept saying that it wasn't a fair system because "they just change your vote to someone you didn't vote for."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I'm pretty sure Australia has ranked choice voting, minority representation, etc., that's why it is a progressive utopia

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

I'll chill 🤣 you got me good with this one

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Simply do the impossible and amend the Constitution when one side would never agree.

What a dumb fucking post.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

it seems like you only read the image. please read the body text of the post before sending insults. 👍

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

when one side would never agree.

What a dumb fucking comment.

Neither side will agree. If they got elected in by the system, they wont change the system that elected them in.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, that's why there is no movement towards ranked choice in the US.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Guess its time to delegitimize the system that got them elected.

Keep buying the broken thing, they will keep selling the broken thing.

Stop buying the broken thing, they will be forced to at least come up with a different thing.

As of last election, roughly a third of the country was Red, roughly a third of the country of Blue, and roughly a third of the country was disenfranchised.

Lets aim for 70% of the country disenfranchised and make them wear the shame until they fix it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Let's just intentionally make things worse! Surely people won't put up with it indefinitely!"

Fucking insanity.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're right. Supporting genocide and the continuing plunge into complete economic implosion IS insanity.

That's why we need to do something that has a glimmer of a hope of changing that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Let's aim for 70% of the country disenfranchised

I'm gonna need you to explain why you think this is a glimmer of hope.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Because it kills the reputability of the failed 2 party system and forces deep systemic changes for the federal government to regain ethos.