Libertarians being on brand delusional
this post was submitted on 28 May 2024
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Such an important distinction I'm sure, as they both file into the ballet box to vote for the Republican nominee.
Ideologically, they’re different, but practically, they’re not.
Again, I didn't vote for Donald Trump last election, but 97% or something of conservatives did,
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Same thing but libertarians are too embarrassed to call themselves conservatives. Or too stupid.
But I'm not a Conservative. I'm pro choice
You can be pro-choice and be a conservative. The divisions between conservative, progressive, etc. are not well-defined, strong boundaries but ideologies. In general if you profess a majority of political opinions that are opposed to your country's/locale's conservative policies then it might be hard for you to justify it. But there are pro-choice American Republicans. There are pro-LGBT American Republicans. There are even pro-democracy American Republicans (a shocker, I know).
But I'm contending that American Libertarians (as in the party, not the very vague ideological notion) are Conservatives and very close to American Republicans. They share, in effect if not in stated policy, the same stances as Republicans based on their support for bills and politicians. They are essentially just a slight white-washed versions of Republicans.
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I can't remember when a Republican candidate sought the Libertarian vote. They must be getting desperate.
Mate, they're going for the Tankie vote. This shit is going down to the wire.
That fix has been in since 2016
Yeah. It is less that republicans go for the tankies and more that putin and Xinnie The Pooh are behind both groups.
Which is why it is important to always side eye anyone who advocates for not voting or for wasting a third party vote during the presidential election (state and even congress? Go wild. But not for POTUS).
It's the other way around. There's a lot of overlap with conservatives and big L Libertarians over idealized "rugged individualism" fantasies. Conservatives like it because it's an excuse to continue marginalizing historically marginalized groups, and Libertarians like it because it feeds their ubermensch delusion.
So when conservatism becomes unpopular, a lot of those voters do the big L protest vote, so Republicans messaging to Libertarians is really just Republicans attempting to form ranks, not embiggen the tent.
Right but I've never seen a Republican presidential candidate actually go to their convention.
Libertarians are republicans who like weed, CMM
They are socially apathetic. To them, they think all social issues and prejudice just magically resolve. They won't necessarily condone the persecution of, say, lgbtq+ or various other minorities... But they also won't lift a finger to stop it either. Their goal is to externalize guilt and responsibility.
Generically corporate-regulation apathetic, too. They think corporations will magically do the right thing, as in not monopolize, pollute, depress wages and benefits, etc.
They want their utopia and modern conveniences but refuse to pay for any of it.
Oh yeah they don't even care about negative market externalities. In their utopia they think corporations in the beeline pursuit of profit will just naturally be compelled
To that I always ask them who would've voluntarily promoted EPA regulations on vehicles or safety regulations in such a society? Automobile manufacturers didn't want to incorporate them as that changes their bottom-line, requires them to re-tool, and raise prices. Consumers didn't want it either because it would again raise prices while those emission devices reduced vehicle power (my grandpa ripped them off in those early years...).
The only people advocating for such things were scientists and health experts who had the foresight to understand the consequences. That then only came from Democratic institutions mandating such requirements.
Libertarians: create a regulation to stop systemic bigotry? No, the Invisible Hand will fix that. Obviously stores that do want those customers will open.
People with functioning brains: looking at history and blinking.
No you see, it's those evil regulations that stifle competition. Monopolies definitely wouldn't form and block out any potential competition.
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And are generally ok with LGBTQIA+, I think it's important to note.
Generally okay with, but are they generally OK with legislation protecting those individuals/recognizing them as protected under the same laws that protect for factors of sex and race?
Well, we think bigots should be allowed to come out as bigoted so we can cancel them. If they generally hide and still do it sneaky-like, a law wouldn't stop them
Yes, with the caveat that libertarianism is opposed to some of those laws for any group.
For example, libertarianism strongly condemns murder, but does not support hate crime laws whereby the murderer's motive becomes a separate crime provided it interacts with a protected class, such as murdering someone based on sex or race.
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Libertarians are mostly pro choice, against restricting gambling, against censorship, against mass government surveillance, against NIMBYism, for gay marriage, and trans rights. Find me a conservative that checks even half of those boxes
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This meme just confused everyone who isn't American or doesn't follow American politics.
Especially since Libertarian as a word and definition of an ideology was co-opted by American anarcho-capitalist Murray Rothbard. Prior to that, libertarian meant freedom of will and general liberty, with some association in anarchism.
Yea, that's what I meant. In the rest of the world libertarian is still a left wing ideology with no connection to ancaps.
I still don't understand why you USians insist on calling them "conservatives." They're fascists - period.
There might still be some people around in the US you could call conservative with a straight face... but the last time I met one of those online was in 2012. Bernie Sanders is more of a conservative than these fascists are.
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