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Sorry for a kinda clickbait title but it is what it is. I just watched a video about Android 15 changes and a lot of them are either not important or straight up bad.

I want to specifically mention increased background sensor usage (such as microphone) and the Find My Device network. These are serious privacy issues that just make lives of custom ROM developers and users harder by having to disable more and more stuff (that's turned on by default of course), as well as a contribution to ewaste generation and general decrease of battery life.

I guess we are getting into the era of complete death of digital privacy and absolute surveillance. This is scary but not too unrealistic I guess. I just hope the devs of privacy-focused ROMs will be able to do something about it and purge these changes.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 months ago (2 children)

When the Find My Device network came to my device I was literally asked if I want my device to be part of it, so even though by default it's an opt-out feature, everyone whose device can be connected to the network is asked if they want that to happen.

Seems like it's just another switch toflick off and forget about

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't look like it's going to ask the user on first setup of new phones though

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

it'll be covered on screen 73 of the 'agreement' required to use the device.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 months ago

Oh of course but that won't make it not evil

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Android OS updates have been somewhat lackluster since Android 8/9. The OS and smartphones in general are increasingly becoming mature products with little true differentiation.

They will try to leverage "AI" to accelerate upgrade cycles, but we'll see how that goes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yep, and as someone that has carried a work iPhone and a personal Android for years now, they're pretty close to the same too.

I mean, as far as usage/usability they do sort of what we want at this point.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Literally the only reason I use android is because of custom launchers and the ability to use a file explorer. Everything else is just the same

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Yeah, I can't imagine using a smartphone without a custom launcher and file explorer.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

It's important to note that Android ≠ AOSP (Android Open Source Project). Most of the actually interesting features advertised in a new Android release won't be available to you if your not installing Google Services.

~~E.g. heavily advertised features like Android 12's "Material You" adaptive themes aren't even available on AOSP and thus GrapheneOS, CalyxOS or LineageOS.~~

New privacy features often already existed for years on custom ROMs like LineageOS.

This is why since around Android 10 I'm not even following new Android releases, at least not beyond reading glancing over an article. I didn't even notice my phone updated to from 12 to 13 (GrapheneOS) until I noticed the new background apps menu, which is pretty much all of the changes.

Edit: Being able to set a language per app is a great feature of Android 13.

Edit 2: As pointed out in comments below, my Material You example was wrong.

A better example are heavily advertised translation and image editing features, which are sometimes locked to Pixel and definitely locked to installs with Google Services. Same is true for apps like "Digital Wellbeing", which don't work on AOSP but its features are advertised as Android features.

tl;dr
Android updates are even more uninteresting if your using a custom ROM, because most features won't even be available in open source Android.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Running grapheneos here with working material you though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

You're right, thanks for correcting me.

https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/10598850

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Where do you get such information from? I'm using official LineageOS and it has Material You. There is indeed a separate implementation for Pixels afaik but the difference is very little

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

You're right, my apologies for confidently spreading misinformation and thank you for pointing it out. Material You colors are available on LineageOS and GrapheneOS, probably CalyxOS too.

With Android 12 GrapheneOS and CalyxOS choosing different colors was not possible, maybe because they didn't implement something at first, but with 13+ Material You works as intended.

I've edited my parent comment accordingly.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Reading up on the blog posts and technical overviews for the new Find My Device network all of it seems well anonimized and local device to device coms not using GPS, and can be declined if needed.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I mean, it's still Google, but honestly I've been looking forward for this feature despite being very privacy conscious. I really want to use trackers on my bike, suitcase, etc.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

A reasonable cost-benefit analysis? On my Lemmy?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Same I've been reading up on it and still skeptical but going to get a few tags here in a few months.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Yeah, it's just Google's entry for the Apple air tag. I'll have to read a bit more about it before I decide to turn it on, but from the outset it seems alright.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Can you please not editorialize the post title when you make the video your post link?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Could they just please post an article instead of a video with 10% info, 90% drivel?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Looking forward to the "Make all apps dark" setting

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

They treated us like cattle and most of us take it.

Google is already angling to gut AOSP IMHO

They got what they want out of it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't know. The sensor stuff sounds pretty gross but the assistants are already listening all the time so they probably got a good understanding of the battery usage and hopefully privacy and later they point out they've made significant battery life improvements.

The Bluetooth find my device stuff is icky but I'm using my Bluetooth basically 24/7 so the auto re-enable settings means nothing to me. I honestly think most people turn it off and get annoyed later when it's not on so that's probably a pretty compelling improvement for them.

There were some security wins too like the private app area, encrypted network controls and network monitor warnings.

So privacy dead? No it's basically the same. kinda just another megh update from Android. Moving forward but not wowing anyone. Google is too busy putting all their resources into ruining their trusted search reputation by making it lie to everyone to invest in a real android update.

I wish someone would shake up the phone market again so we could look forward to these updates again.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The assistants at least can be deleted or disabled. That sensors stuff cannot

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The sensor stuff for the adaptive vibration? The first screen in that section of the video is a big feature card like they put in the upgrade tours which let's you turn it on or off.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

True. But idk if I was talking about that feature. I remember clearly hearing of a feature that cannot be disabled in the video. Though I just rewatched it and I didn't find anything about it. Idk if it was removed from the video or I started having hallucinations (which is absolutely possible) but it doesn't seem to be there anymore. Idk what else to say about it

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I'm looking forward to hopefully being able to change the device I'm playing audio out of without having to start Spotify, that way I can change it before I blare fart sounds out of my car speakers or something