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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

the nationalist voted in the Jewish president at the same rate as everyone else

That Zelensky is Jewish doesn't even matter, but that last part is not even true lmao

Zelensky ran on a peace platform so he got more votes in Donetsk, Lugansk and the other regions in the East, as you go further West you get less and less people voting for him until you reach Lviv where they voted for PoroshenKKKo

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow I've never seen that graph map before and it's fucking TELLING.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The 2010 map is telling too. The Donbass and Crimea voted for Yanukovych by 70, 80, even 90 percent. This is the president who’s coup in 2014 sparked the separatists.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

You'll also notice that the 90% zone corresponds almost exactly to the territory controlled by separatists pre-2022

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

I mean it's something that quite a few ukrainians that have fled already told me, they literally voted in Zelensky because he was supposed to be the guy calming everything down, the vote for peace and look how that turned out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Check that overseas vote out in the top right. Fucking hell.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember, kids - you're not a Banderite nationalist unless you're from the Banderite region of Galacia. Anything else is just sparkling fascism.

"There aren't any fascist party members in the rada!" Yeah well there aren't any (official) fascist party members in the US congress and look how much good that's done.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember when Anders Breivik murdered 70 people here in Norway.

That was only made possible by The Knight Templars party holding a majority of seats in our parliament.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Knight Templars party

Sarcasm or straight? I'm not familiar with the political party comp at that period in time and I'm not sure how to look it up.

That was such an awful moment.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sarcasm. Breivik refered to himself as a Knight Templar in his manifesto, so following the lib logic of "the only way Ukrainian fascists could do anything at all was if there was a bunch of fascists in the Rada", there clearly must have been knight templars in the Norwegian parliament.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Gotcha. You make a good point.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That is just Fremskrittspartiet.

But no, there is no Templar party in Norway. Breivik claimed to be a crusader etc though.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If America is racist, why did it vote for a black President? thonk

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Boris wasn't a western puppet as he was a Russian nationalist.

The West using nationalists as puppets? Inconceivable! inconceivable

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

U N P O S S I B L E

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

Some random podcaster apparently talked about russia and it made them mad.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

I got as far as "Boris wasn't a western puppet"

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

the reason NATO expanded is because Russia invaded old USSR land. The Chechen war which proved NATO still needed to exist.

Chechnya is and was part of Russia the whole time. How does Russia stopping separatists in its own borders prove the need for NATO? Do we need a bloc against Ukraine since they invaded their separatist regions?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't have the time or patience to go through all of these, but the second one is one that really pisses me off. The US-Soviet diplomatic relationship (and frankly most diplomatic relationships) was based on handshake deals and trusting each others word. There was no formal deal granting NATO passage across East Germany to access West Berlin, for instance. So when the US told the Soviets that they wouldn't expand West, the Soviets had historical reasons to think that didn't need to be written down, because that was business as usual. Not that a written agreement would have been worth anything anyways, as the value of the promise of a NATO liberal is equivalent to that of a used car salesman.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

less than 900 members

Eat my entire ass

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

(also ignore that major governmental figures have publicly called for a crusade against semites).