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“We never worried about not having a place to live or a job, or about being evicted. There were no worries or fears about our livelihoods and there was so much in the way of culture and recreation that was available most of the time at little or no cost.”

She said that “attempts were always made not only that you had a job but that it was the best job you could do and whenever possible a job you really liked.”

Zastrow explained that she disliked the technical aspects of her schooling, despite the fact that they were providing her with skills that were quite useable. “I love animals,” she said, “and really wanted to have a career working with them.” She described how “there were needs for everything in the GDR, for people who could do all kinds of things and they worked to get me a job that I loved, a job on a large agricultural dairy collective where I had such good times working with more than 300 cows!”

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Growing up in a society with human values and growing old in late capitalist neoliberal hellworld has gotta be jokerfication

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

better to have socialismed than never to have socialismed at all

i mean fuck me I'm riding the neoliberal collapse of the earth in my prime years

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Beer brew here oooh earth rider thanks for the great lakes biden-alert

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Ad now a lot of them are aggressively racists and AfD keeps winning eastern states. Seeing your country gutted by capitalists and turning around and saying "actually it's the Turkish and Syrian people down the street's fault"

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago

If you look at votes by demographic all the people that would have actual memories of the GDR vote a lot more moderate than all the people that were brought up in the 90s

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

your country

That's exactly the problem though. Capitalists can simply claim they're on the proles' side because they are Germans too. It's that depressingly easy. Just feed people nationalism.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yup. There's a (lib) theatre group that did an experiment in Estonia, where they made a fake political party that had no policies, promises, or even political history... just beyond parody nationalist performativity and 'pretty' looking politicians.

They went from nothing at all in politics to polling at 25% of the vote at one point.

https://youtu.be/lSGnsZlELbw?si=zrH_sSo59npJIqYw

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

Propaganda is a hell of a drug.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This article was great, thanks for posting!

Grossman’s biggest accolades were reserved for what the GDR did regarding housing and elimination of poverty. “Everyone had a home,” he said. “Rents were very low and you could never be evicted. It was unheard of, and the GDR was really the first place to ever completely eradicate poverty.”

cri

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago

We never worried about not having a place to live or a job, or about being evicted. There were no worries or fears about our livelihoods and there was so much in the way of culture and recreation that was available most of the time at little or no cost.”

She said that “attempts were always made not only that you had a job but that it was the best job you could do and whenever possible a job you really liked.”

sadness-abysmal

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And the youth claim the elderly view it favorably because of nostalgia.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I too would be nostalgic for a time where opportunities were everywhere and you couldn’t be evicted.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What I usually hear is that the elderly are only nostalgic because they grew up during that time and so they see it with rose-tinted glasses

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Very much recommend this episode of Proles of the Round Table on the GDR. Fascinating listen. I found this article when trying to hunt down a quote they mention that I think was this one.

“They never were able to take well any public criticism of the leadership,” he said. “You could criticize your boss on the job, the way things were set up there, you could criticize delays or bureaucratic glitches. Of course in America, you can criticize the political leaders but watch out if you criticize your boss or the people who run your company.”

https://youtu.be/gE3nfuIPka8

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

ummm ackshually east germany was an evil authoritarian hellhole where everyone was being eaten by gorillas every day or else they get eaten by Stalin and everyone cheered and ascended to godhood when the USSR fell.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But the gorillas starved too eventually because the humans weren't well fed, some pictures have survived of gorillas protesting against the Stalin regime right before its collapse

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

West Germans even embraced a silly psychologization epithet rather than accept that so many Eastern Germans preferred life in the GDR: Ostalgie.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I participated in a course last year that was on east german cinema during the last few years of the countries existence (lots of really fantastic films) and one of the biggest revelations came when we watched some documentary from the 2000s that interviewed some experimental filmmakers from east berlin and one of the filmmakers said something to the effect of "rent in east berlin was 20 mark, gas and electricity were no more than 10 mark, we had nothing but time back then".

If you made films at the DEFA, the east german state-owned film studio, as a director you were fully-employed all year through and had to produce maybe two films a year. These people lived in the literal "Schlaraffenland" and didn't even fucking know it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Any chance you remember the name of the documentary/ know where to find a copy? I bet my study group would love that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's called "Die Subversive Kamera" (The subversive camera) from 1996 by Cornelia Klauß. It's only in german and I don't think there are any subtitles available anywhere, but I could still send you the file if you still want it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Yes, please. That would be awesome. I did find this The Subversive Camera @ DEFA Film Library which indicates there are subs out there. The whole DVD it's on sounds interesting, but I don't have the spare cash and I can't remember the last time I had a DVD drive to rip it with.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

“We never worried about not having a place to live or a job, or about being evicted. There were no worries or fears about our livelihoods and there was so much in the way of culture and recreation that was available most of the time at little or no cost.”

She said that “attempts were always made not only that you had a job but that it was the best job you could do and whenever possible a job you really liked.”

Wtf I am pining for a life I never got to live. Let alone what the East Germans lost. It's such a tragedy, what the capitalists have done to the world. Proves that all capitalism has to offer at this point is technology/technocracy to compensate for our material and cultural deprivation. Everything I've read or heard about ordinary life in the GDR, USSR, Yugoslavia, etc points to the fact that the communist countries have consistently been the most advanced in terms of social technology. I guess we've got phones and flatscreen TVs that we can hardly afford? F