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Do you like the outdoors? Are you physically fit enough to work 8-12 hours moving things around? If so, and you live near almost any major American city I can almost guarantee you USPS is hiring any warm body that tries to get work. The process takes a long time sometimes but they're desperate (where I am the rumor is that they've completely stopped drug testing to fill vacancies).

It's unionized, it's got okay wages if you're not in a HCOL area, the benefits are fine and you're prettymuch guaranteed plenty of work on the carrier side. Clerks are more hit and miss, rural carriers are their own bag of worms, but once you make regular you get a 401k type thing and there is still a pension, even if it's less good than it used to be. It also looks respectable to other organizations and (this is my perspective) feels like you're actually doing something helpful for real people in your community. Only job I've had that I've been proud at all to tell people I do.

That said, management is shit, will treat you carelessly, and you'll be expected to learn how to protect yourself from contract violations because the work culture is insane. There's a lot of maladjusted people and old people with extremely backwards ideas, and your experience depends pretty heavily on the office and people in it. With your background and training you might be able to make the jump into the computer/programming end too, I wouldn't know how to help you there though.

I'm not sure if this would be hope or Joker makeup. I think a lot of people who work for USPS alternate between the two.

hey you sound just like me. except I don't have a degree and it's been 8 years since I last worked. and I just got on disability in February.

Have you considered volunteering? Show yourself as willing to work just for the sake of it, and you'll probably find at least one person there who can provide a reference for you.

Also, having your own job might not be enough for complete self-sufficiency, but don't discount the feeling of being useful and worthwhile that having a job gives you. A job shouldn't be a prerequisite for that, but as things currently are, it does help.

The fact that you actually want to improve yourself and earn your own way means a lot. Don't sell yourself short.

good ideas from comrades RE particular job opportunities, but i'd just like to broaden the scope of advice: you're facing a thorny problem that requires a holistic solution. if it were as easy as going down to the temp agency, or the union hall, you'd have done it by now. the fact is, you've made it this far on this path, because you've become incredible at avoiding and protecting yourself from psychic distress. but any move from here will be highly distressing; you need to build up the capacity to endure this.

• you need to see a therapist. if you make excuses here, you're frankly not ready to be serious (i have every confidence you can dig yourself out of this hole, but have little confidence you can do so without seeing someone). you need someone whom you can develop a relationship with; whom you can confide your pain and anxiety; who can help keep you accountable; who can teach you how to show yourself/your past self grace; who can provide you w/ healthy techniques for dealing with psychic pain /anxiety when it arises; who can put you in contact with a prescriber in case you'd benefit from pharmacological intervention.

• walking is good. add more intense cardio or weight lifting: this will alleviate psychic pain; make you stronger; give you more confidence; provide a template by which you can see yourself struggle and then arrive at progress and improvement, which you can take into other facets of your life.

• take some classes, online, or better, at a local community college, that are related to your interests and past education. this will strengthen these skills, which have atrophied, and will put you in contact with people related to your field and interest. and, importantly, it will give you something to say -- if you're not working or learning, every interaction is a potential site of humiliation, as you may be asked, what do you? but if you're taking classes, you will be able to say that you are, and you can talk about your interests in those areas.

• volunteer and/or take a low-commitment part time job. volunteering is as good as everyone has described it; you will feel useful and good. and a part time shit job is just fine -- it's part time, it's not the totality of your identity-- and there's a dignity in working and getting a paycheck, even for doing shit.

• frankly, i really like the idea of going out for agricultural /seasonal work. it will get you out of the fucking house and get you some fresh air, you'll meet people, and costs will be low, you can bring interesting books for the evening and will have the opportunity to see and develop different aspects of yourself.

• journal, or do mindful practices, or meditate. too much scrolling, too many screens, you need to practice sitting only with yourself, if only starting at a little a day.

as you engage in the above, you can develop goals /ambitions, about what larger projects you want to pursue. you surely have a lot to give, but you need to put yourself in a position where you can give it. rooting for you bro.

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I'll still be miserable with a job, just a different kind of miserable

there's truth in this, as when Morrissey sings, I was looking for a job and then I found a job, and heaven knows I'm miserable now. and yet, i can assure you, as someone who once felt very much like you do now, you'll feel so much better and stronger on the other side.

Trade school. Union if its in your area. Electric/HVAC/Plumbing/Welding (and others, those are just what come to mind right now) are always needed. We need electricity, water, air conditioning, and welders to build shit. None require a lumberjack’s physique, and i know plenty of AC techs and electricians that work in shorts and running shoes. I work with plenty of other plumbers who don’t adhere to the traditional manly man stereotype. Same with the welders i know.

Im not sure what your natural inclinations are, so i dont think i can give more than generalized advice, but trade schools usually have a network of employers that they can use a little good old fashioned nepotism with to get you onboard somewhere while you school so you can earn some dough while you learn your trade.

DM me with your approximate location and I will call your local insulators Union and see if they need new apprentices if you want

If you're not interested in the "tech industry" you might still be able to leverage your skills into IT (technically still "tech" but more about business operations than building spyware or BS apps). Look into getting some entry level certifications like the CompTIA A+ and go for help desk or IT support technician jobs.

I could probably find another shit job like the last one I had, maybe I could flip burgers or clean up puke at a movie theater but it wouldn't pay enough to even live on my own so what's the fucking point. I'd be eating shit just to go back to my same sad empty life anyway.

This isn't a completely bad option and might even be a necessary stepping stone since you've been out of work for so long, and employers sadly get to be picky these days due to the job market being very competitive for employees. Worst case scenario, you still live with your parents but have a bit more pocket money than you've had in the past few years.

Living on your own is overrated American nonsense, just get a job and keep all of that money you'd be pissing away to a landlord. The only reason to live alone is if your parents are absolute wastes of space, theres no room, or if your job is far away.

My recommendation will vary with where you live. If you live in a reasonably dense area just go to a trade program get a Ambulance drivers license and work for that for a while. It is on the higher end of low end jobs. Easy to get, easy to do, better pay than you are getting. Looks good on a resume. Watching people die might get you thinking about stuff. Any resume gaps are explained by you werre working with a family landscaping business. Easy, no one cares enough about lawns to grill you on trade info you don't know.

This is so similar to my situation. I'm deeply anxious and have avoided life for...a long time. Gonna need to find an income soon, so really I'm looking for advice in this thread as well, lol. It's difficult to find motivation to get a job when you're already not finding much satisfaction in life. I suppose the hope is that any change or shake-up at this point can lead to at least something different and possibly even better. But I really do sympathize with the anxious fears you listed, just reading them caused me some symptoms

Just want to let you know that I sympathize and wish you luck!

Also, how did you manage to be life avoidant and not like videogames? Impressive

Have you tried agricultural labor? Picking fruit is pretty good because you can live in a tent all summer to keep cost of living down while making a bit of money. Depending what wages are like where you live it may even pay better than flipping burgers. Plus once you've done it you can use it to pad your resume really easily. Cherry season is probably just starting in the northern hemisphere and they really are the best thing to start on because they are light and pay well.

Does your city have a workforce development centre? Here there are specialist counselors at the county-level who help with career planning, accessing retraining grants, resume building/practice interviews, and non-predatory job placement using statewide databases and connections with the city/county.

There arent any good jobs they all suck, theyre all exploitative wastes of time. The line of thinking you have is largely irrelevant for most people and they even have to do two jobs or more.

You use a shitty job to leverage into a better one until you eventually you can stomach staying. Only good jobs are for ppl with connections or theyre insanely lucky.

The rest of us work and I think it's best to either realize that you either need to get over it and just try to apply to things to get a foothold, or just not work and stop feeling bad about it.

Assuming you're in the US because I don't know about elsewhere, you could check if there are any union trade schools in your area?

Sometimes they'll pay for your schooling and you'll have a paying job as an apprentice right off the bat. In my area, depending on the trade, they don't care too much about resumes or work history.

As long as you're able to do a short interview, perform the job, pass a drug test, and pass your classes, you're set. It can be hard work, but definitely something to look into.

It sounds like your parents are ok with the arrangement, assuming that's true you don't need to start right by jumping into the job market. I have a job and a house and I fucking hate it, if I had the time there are so many things I'd rather be doing. If you just spend time out in the community, being helpful and generally pleasant, you can make connections and there's a good chance one of those people will know of a good job opening for you, they might even end up being the owner if you're lucky. I'm not sure if that's viable for your situation or not, but don't assume you have to go straight to the exploitation machine

To clarify your CG knowledge is as a software engineer or as an artist? IOW you know the math and can write shaders? These skills are applicable outside the games and film industries. You can apply them to machine learning, for example. Like I get that AI is a grift but it is what is currently The Hot Thing so the thing to do might be to contribute to some open source projects.

oh i missed the part where you said you dont want to get into tech. nevermind.

I don't think it serves myself at all to believe that there's no hope for you. I can't help but think of a homeless man with a dog who aspires to more so that his dog will have more. As long as that ember in your chest still burns, you have a shot.

I've heard that 3rd shift shelf stocking or night time security is the best first step for giga-NEETs. Especially security so you can browse your forums and watch anime while you do nothing (and call the police if something happens). Shelf stocking gives some people more meaning and, while you do stuff, you don't really talk to people and you just put your headphones on and listen to anime openings.

But back to the idea of the dog. I think volunteering would do wonders for you. There are people who really need help, but you also really need to help. Someone down on their luck hardly wants to judge you on the way you socialize while you're holding out a hand for them. It'd be a real "who saved whom?" situation. You'd talk to people, make a little scratch, get inspired, and then you're back at base level among the living.

You are an excuse machine. No one likes their job. No one likes feeling alienated. It’s called living under capitalism, and it’s what everyone here hopes to change.

In an earlier post you said you can drive. Get a job driving a van, say you have years experience at some shit company some relative has some connection too.

If you don’t try any of the things people give to you as advice, don’t say you don’t know what to do

As a software developer I’ll touch on your “fuck the tech industry” statement.

You don’t have to work for big tech, I have a fulfilling job at a small company of less than 10 people. If you like solving problems but not for big tech, there are plenty of options.

Have you thought about truckin'?

I worked for a while and whenever I get to drive a big truck it's pretty cool. I feel like a cool gal when I drive a big truck. Maybe that's something for you?

Edit: I want to say that I only feel like a cool gal when I'm hauling big stuff. I'm not some kind of loser who has a truck as a status symbol

I had a similar problem in my mid-20s: no obvious job prospects, no employment history outside seasonal and college-sponsored things, long employment gaps. I felt like a whole bunch of the possible jobs out there were places I didn't want to be seen.

Eventually, I got to the point where that ultra-self-awareness was weaker than the desire to get employment. It ended up being a dead-end job, but that didn't bother me. Many of these dead-end jobs were either something I could learn from, or something I could meet people through (a HUGE amount of the social terrain just follows personal association in the workplace), or something that paid the bills and wasn't psychologically taxing.

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