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[-] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago

This is cope tbh. Starmer won big and the red Tory coup has been cemented into power.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago

This is true, but that cement is weak and the foundation shaky.

Labour didn't meaningfully increase its vote share, turnout was the lowest in 20+ years, and and the average seat now is incredibly marginal - down from an average of 12k to 6k. The free ride is over, Labour have no answers, and no real bedrock of support.

There's an opportunity to organise, agitate, and exploit that weakness outside of electoral politics. There's about to be potentially millions of totally disaffected libs over the next few years who'll be looking to make sense of this shitshow and we shouldn't leave them to the far right.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago
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[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He didn't say that just that Corbyn won over Labour in his own constituency

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago
[-] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

How the fuck is it cope when Corbyn's not so insignificant win in Islington North (which was up in the air, and many people thought he was going to lose his seat) is pointed out? Labour invested a lot there to make sure he'd lose, but that didn't work. Interestingly, it's also the first time since 1937 that an election in Islington North didn't result in victory for a Labour candidate.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

It’s not significant because it poses no threat to power and Starmer and the red Tory hold over the Labour Party is thoroughly cemented now.

It’s satisfying to see Corbyn win but it’s cope to pretend it’s significant. If the takeaway from these elections is “Corbyn and 3 or 4 other pro-Gaza politicians won counter-trend upsets” then you’ve painted a very inaccurate picture of the elections. Which makes it cope.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

But we know all this shit? No one is saying this this is a direct threat to Labour's victory. Context is key here. Did you wake up to be fucking smart ass today or something?

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

The part of your brain that grasps context destroyed

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

People get so angry when you call them out for coping

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Lmao. Your dumb shit isn't worth getting angry over. Don't give yourself too much credit. miyazaki-laugh

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

I’m not mad I scream as I etc

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I need someone to destroy my bussy pingu-horny

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Good things happening is bad

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This election was not a good outcome and Corbyn’s win doesn’t affect anything.

It’s satisfying to see, sure, but celebrating it with a title like this is cope.

I also liked seeing Sunak eat shit but a Starmer win means I’m eating shit too.

Labour Party status: not in fact destroyed and still pro-Israel.

Starmer status: very safely in power and unthreatened by Corbyn. Probably with a wicked champagne hangover.

There’s nothing worth celebrating here except some cope.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

It was a better outcome that was expected. Labour's vote share is weak. Keir's vote share in his own constituency halved. He's become the least popular opposition leader to ever win by any metric. The lowest turnout in, like, a hundred years despite this nominally being a regime change election shows a lack of belief and enthusiasm for the current system. Greens did historically well. Independents from the left did historically well. Not just the ones that won, but the ones that came strong second. Many of Labour's seats were won on a knife edge. It was not a resounding victory of the kind Blair won, which imo was the worst case scenario. Yes, FPTP means none of that technically matters. But also, it does, because many of Labour's MPs know they're on thin ice if they want to win again.

The predicted outcome was a license for absolute red tory arrogance. Wes Streeting was gleefully rubbing his hands at the prospect of selling off the NHS, but maybe winning by only 500 votes will make him think more carefully about that. Or maybe it won't. Maybe he doesn't care about being re-elected because he'll have a gravy train waiting at the station when he leaves.

But I still think there's something worth celebrating, because despite the compliant media, despite the total Conservative collapse, Labour barely got a better share than they did in 2019 and a significantly worse share than they did in 2017. There is an appetite for left politics, it is a spectre that is haunting the UK. It's not going to be sated by elections and establishment politics, I'm not under any illusion about that. But the poor turnout indicates that nobody else is either, which is significant. The desire is there, the disillusionment with the current system is there, the results show it.

The danger was always that Farage would be the main beneficiary of this failing system, but this election indicates to me that there is absolutely an opening for the left to win people over.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

It's a bit cope, yes, but it's not meaningless. For the next 4 years there's someone on the right side of issues in parliament, whose voice will be heard by many. And when you consider that seat could've been a pro-Israel private healthcare ghoul, Corbyn's win does mean something.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Corbyn defeating the red Tory candidate is obviously good and makes a difference by giving the public a voice of reason during the rule of an unchecked red Tory regime.

His win is significant by demonstrating that a good candidate from the labour movement with sound politics can win, even when up against the full weight of the red Tory machine.

He will have no power over government though and he is just a single guy. He is also old and can't be expected to go on for much longer. If his victory is going to be good for anything he needs to use it to build the foundations for something better, like organising an opposition party together with leftists progressive forces all over the country.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Ok it doesn’t mean nothing it only means next to nothing

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

I think it's important to have such a voice in parliament. I think it would be much worse if it was total labour. Corbyn will stand as inspiration for a lot of resistance.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

How much have you heard Corbyn's voice in Parliament since 2019? No one listens to backbenchers.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I can't say really. I've heard him a lot but I'm in his target demographic.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

How dare someone call this cope, cope. Shoddy display.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Jezza is the most vindicated man in all of human history.

Hell, leftists really are just the modern day Cassandras.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

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