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[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

it's called "co-evolution"

[-] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Humans are an unfortunate by-product of the fungus' colonisation of the planet. As soon as they've tricked us into heating the planet enough to melt the poles, their conquest will be complete.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

This makes me think of Daniel Quinn's Ishmael... is there a community for that?

[-] [email protected] 133 points 1 week ago

I mean, the Roman Empire was an olive tree superorganism. Prove me wrong.

[-] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago

There’s a Pax Romana/olive branch joke in there somewhere

[-] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

"We're taking your country over. You should produce olives. If not, then grapes. Or like, wheat, I guess. But definitely olives." - Pax Romana

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

I am pretty sure they were sentient, rotting fish guts.

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[-] [email protected] 90 points 1 week ago

Makes total sense: who's working for whom? Is wheat making an effort to till the soil and find fertiliser to help us grow, or is it the other way round?

[-] [email protected] 57 points 1 week ago

And here we have a typical specimen exhibiting capitalist realism: Observe how the subject is analysing everything they come across on a "who works for who" basis, projecting human modes of production onto the universe. Applying it, even in vain, this reductive universality ensures that they will never think beyond it and, not thinking beyond it, not question either working for a capitalist or being a capitalist who is worked for, thereby in either case working for capitalism, a form of human cooperation in which happiness, well-being, yes even human connection (that necessitating eye-level communication) is traded for hastened advancement of the economy to achieve post-scarcity.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Class war: wheat vs humanity

Don't even get me started on cats.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I suspect cats. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9756-toxoplasmosis

one of the many reasons to keep your cats indoors.

[-] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago

9 points out of 10, very good. Except that capitalism doesn't want to ever achieve post-scarcity. They're a dog chasing a car, without scarcity and demand their profit streams dry up.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Hence why post-scarcity is the natural death point of capitalism.

Your question is essentially the same as Freudians arguing among themselves about the existence of a death drive: How could it possibly benefit the individual? If it can't in some way benefit the individual, how can it be a drive? How does it mesh with the pleasure principle? The answer is simple: It doesn't benefit the individual. In certain circumstances it benefits the genome, that's why us seed-pods can, in certain circumstances, enter states in which it is pleasurable.

And all-encompassing and all-powerful, indeed, religious, as capitalism may seem right now it, too, is a seed pod. It does not have to will its abolishment to bring about the material conditions abolishing it.

Of course there's also nothing speaking against it not making things unduly nasty for us. But that's mere politics, not fate.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

This is like the question I've always asked about getting sick.

Do you produce extra mucous because your body is trying to get rid of what's making you sick or does the illness make you produce more mucous in order to spread more easily?

[-] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago

I suspect the serious answer is that we produce mucus and sneezing as a natural response to microbes, and that's the environment within which microbes have evolved to take advantage of the mucus and sneezing

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Evolution is a loop of random mutations that get reproduced if they randomly happen to give the organism better odds at reproduction.

Some germ gets a little better at spreading via mucous, so it gets to reproduce more because humans make mucous when they get sick

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[-] [email protected] 69 points 1 week ago

While I wouldn't say that's right, I also wouldn't come right out and call it wrong either. This very much engages with the "Selfish Gene", an heuristic model of thinking about evolution from the perspective of the gene itself instead of populations.

As an added amusement, the book "The Selfish Gene" came out in 1976, and is the source of the word "meme," used somewhat differently than it is now, naturally.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

Omni-Man's red eyes make him look blazed, which fits what he's saying pretty well. "Dad, what the hell are you talking about?"

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

The jays and crows around my house have domesticated us too

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

I so want to befriend my local crows, been meaning to buy some seeds for bribing them

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

They fucking love meatballs, the scavenger birds that they are.

I have the local crows as my friends. Just shared a pastry with them while coming home. They often fly besides me when I'm coming from the store to see whether I have anything for them.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

They like unsalted peanuts

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago
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[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

We have been played for absolute fools

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Well, who's living in the house? Certainly not the wheat.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You, a farmer, living in a thatched roof mud hut just alongside the field and spending 90% of your day - sun up to sun down - digging irrigation ditches, spreading fertilizer, and hauling around buckets of seed.

Me, a wheat grass, cozily settled into freshly irrigated mud, reaching towards the sun with my long fronds, spreading my seed between all my neighbors, and never having to worry about competitors because this dipshit ape-thing weeds the area for me every day in hopes of one day gargling my fermented plant-jizz until he blacks out.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Isn't this Michael Pollan's theory?

That plants make themselves Delicious/useful/whatever so we'll use them more?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Realistically the wheat lucked out that we thought it was delicious. I like the theory that it started as a three way symbiotic relationship between wheat humans and yeast, with accidental beer being the reason we started planting the stuff to begin with.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

It really is a symbiotic relationship we've developed with the things we've domesticated (or that domesticated us)

Especially animals reserved for working instead of eating, because in those situations oftentimes the food being made with the work is shared between the symbiotes.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I would say it's symbiotic to the continued survival and propegation of their genes, but not to their well-being as individuals.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Yeah, influence is rarely a one way street and things like agriculture or animal husbandry have definitely changed us as well

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Haha. I'm reading Sapiens right now, too

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

How to tell someone is reading Sapiens.

Still, insane that "science/technology improvements" did not improve happienes at all. Just shifted the standards.

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