Fucking war criminals.
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Confesses? I think they misspelled "bragged"...
Okay now tell us something else that we already figured out via observation. Like about how rain comes out of the sky.
I'm sorry sir rain does not fall out of the sky unless israel tells me so.
Not other IDF troops... but then the IDF doesn't consider each other subhuman.
Who could have guessed that 18 yo with guns in a country with a government that literally said "kill them all, there are no Innocents, not the children, not the mothers, no one" would go on to kill them all!
I am shocked, how could anyone see this coming!?
You forgot that this government has spent years telling their people that literally everyone in Palestine is supportive, materially or otherwise, of Hamas.
The source is commondreams.org? Am not defending IDF but we are better than spreading news with questionable sources
https://www.972mag.com/israeli-soldiers-gaza-firing-regulations/ I think the source of this article is this one. Where they have interviewed a bunch of Israeli soldiers.
Reliability rating High
I'm amazed that dude rated them highly
According to mediabiasfact, this website is highly reliable while the guardian reliability is mixed (one level above low reliability )
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/
agrre to disagree I guess
Guardian is trash. Zero credibility.
What sources do you have for The Guardian being highly reliable?
The only way to prove that a news agency is reliable, is by not finding any fake/false/wrong news on their websites - that they didn't publish correction for -. The duty of providing proof lies on the accuser, if you accuse gurdian of wrong doing you'd need to the provide a proof.
This is the reason I didn't call commondreams fake or unreliable, I don't have a proof.
So because you're unfamiliar with this organization (that has existed for almost 30 years), you called them "questionable" instead and merely implied that the report was fraudulent and that we should all do better than to post articles from sources you haven't heard of and can't be arsed to look into.
Then, when someone gave you evidence, you dismissed it because it didn't agree with how you see the world. Don't get me wrong, I think the bias fact check site is bullshit about half the time, but you still made an accusation, if obliquely, and provided no evidence.
What's that thing we can do when people make assertions without evidence again? Oh right, dismiss those assertions without evidence.
Lesser known source
Called commondreams dot org
A sensationalist take
Idk why we may doubt this fountain of truth.
Israeli-Palestinian bloodshed is competitively reported by Israeli and pro-Palestinian sides, it's an informational warfare. We believe we can trust at least bigger publications to vet their information before posting and cautiously read the reports from other sources. Why it should be different for that one news site? At the very least, basic level, I don't see any mention of them being in that region and IDK how they report without that.
If you'd read the article, you'd see where they source the information from. This org often republishes and aggregates content from other sources that further its progressive aims.
All of this is readily available information at the end of a five second search. Just because you don't read media that isn't part of a for-profit corporation doesn't mean they're less reputable.
They refer to even less known sources, them quoting anonymous individuals
to say it's a code to shoot anyone in their belly and that Gaza now is their shooting range without any liability.
Very, very credible. Especially after that story of how IDF drove multiple victims to the hospital on their SUVs' hood made a disaster, but that somehow didn't.
Does anyone knows what +972 Magazine and Local Call are?
Sure, I can do that for you too. Is clicking the link easy enough?
Of course the interviewees are mostly anonymous. Does the context of the situation just entirely blow past you? You think it'd be super easy to do this and face no repercussions?
Also, did you just not read the quotes from the one non-anonymous source, or was that too far down in the article and your scrolling finger got tired? I'd rather assume you're lazy than that you're pushing an agenda, but hey it seems like we can all just make assumptions and do no digging to see if they're true, so fuck it, you're a war criminal that kicks puppies.
How dare you bring your puppy-kicking into this conversation. I demand a peer-reviewed paper proving you're not a puppy-kicker and the authors must be owned by one of three major corporations or I won't believe it. What's that? You don't even have a referenced Wikipedia page with sources that demonstrate you don't kick puppies? Well fuck man, even that paper can't help you now.
Personal attacks? Nice.
Next.
You said stupid shit and then doubled-down on it when the answers were easily available. I don't know why being called out on it is so surprising to you ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Quote stupid shit, please.
I'm sorry, you can't even read what you wrote?
At the very least, basic level, I don't see any mention of them being in that region and IDK how they report without that.
Source is linked in the article within the first few sentences from people who are yes, actually in that region. You also indicated you trust "big" sources, who...also aggregate content from sources like this one that are actually in the region.
You skipped doing a simple internet search on any of that, which would have told you this, so I don't have to.
They refer to even less known sources, them quoting anonymous individuals
It requires a very determined level of aggressive ignorance to both blow right past why anonymity might be quite necessary here, and to at the same time completely ignore that not all of the sources are anonymous.
I understand that this will not make you happy, and it probably won't convince you, either. Neither of those factors makes these types of things less stupid to say.
You also indicated you trust "big" sources, who...also aggregate content from sources like this one that are actually in the region.
In the aftermath of the october attack there were numerous journalist from the publications from all around the world, not stringers, not outsourced agents. They have their biases, but at the very least they have a reputation to lose. If +972 media would report bullshit, no one would hold them responsible or start to ignore them because they are nobodies.
necessary here, and to at the same time completely ignore that not all of the sources are anonymous
That's judged, again, by the reputation of the writer\publisher. Half of my country's journalist are in exile, but I can trust those I know from before the war and hunt on them. If they refer to anonymous sources in the army, I look if that overcomes my limits of a reasonable doubt.
In a polarising context of the Israeli-Palestinian war we already had a lot of fake or complicated stories and as I'm not myself able to verify each piece myself, I prefer big news media I can somehow trust because they do verification for me.
I'm impressed we still have that conversation and that you take time to null my internet points on every comment in that three. It's not big, but that's a honest work of a dedicated individual. I felt that we on Lemmy don't care about them at all.
I mean first let me thank you for speaking on behalf of all of Lemmy. Super kind of you.
The rest of this is a lovely set of excuses, but this...
In a polarising context of the Israeli-Palestinian war we already had a lot of fake or complicated stories and as I'm not myself able to verify each piece myself, I prefer big news media I can somehow trust because they do verification for me.
I really can't resist the bait there.
No one is asking you to verify every piece of information you read. In this polarizing context of the world we live in, you should at least try to make an effort to know what you're talking about before you comment, though, or you're adding to that misinformation you seem so keen to avoid.
I mean first let me thank you for speaking on behalf of all of Lemmy. Super kind of you.
Do you care about internet points on Lemmy of all places? That makes you a part of a minority. I appreciate that in some warped reality there are people who hold that opinion. Numerous threads show most netizens DGAF. You can ask Lemmy yourself or just google around since these polls already exist. What it does is it leaves a very depressing impression about the person in question.
No one is asking you to verify every piece of information you read. In this polarizing context of the world we live in, you should at least try to make an effort to know what you're talking about before you comment
A contradiction. I repeat: I either verify stuff myself or outsource that verification to a source I can trust. I'm surprised you don't do that too, or put it in the bad light for whatever reason. Maybe that's why you have a long conversation defending questionable sources. I decided not to trust them. It's more of an effort than blindly consuming whatever someone posts.
Do you care about internet points on Lemmy of all places?
Not particularly. I agree with you on that; I assume not many people care about them, but when someone gives me a button to push for things that don't add to conversations, like, say, repeated instances of aggressive ignorance and lies about what an article consists of, it's really not a lot of effort to push it, so I'm going to keep doing that 'til either you stop with the bullshit or I get bored.
A contradiction. I repeat: I either verify stuff myself or outsource that verification to a source I can trust. I’m surprised you don’t do that too, or put it in the bad light for whatever reason. Maybe that’s why you have a long conversation defending questionable sources. I decided not to trust them. It’s more of an effort than blindly consuming whatever someone posts.
A lie. There is no evidence that the source is questionable. There is abundant evidence that they are a real journalistic source (remember when I linked you some? Those were good times).
You decided not to trust the source based on nothing. This is a stupid thing to do. You decided to comment on it anyway, with no knowledge or interest in discovering the truth. That is a harmful thing to do.
I'm going to keep having this conversation because you've decided to..what are we at now, quintuple-down on this? We're far past the realm of where most Lemmy apps will even display comment chains this long. It's just you, me, and anyone bored enough to dig into a slap fight about how difficult it is for you to read.
The Guardian is a Zionist propaganda mouthpiece claiming they saw footage of Hamas raping people which turned out to be lie.
MBFC should rate them far lower
What makes it a questionable source?
its not a known news agency. I know you could say just because they are small doesn't mean they are untrustworthy and you'd be right but they are questionable. for example have you ever heard of commomdreams journalist anywhere in the middle east? If they are not the source of the news but rather copying it from elsewhere then it's better to link to the source.
Maybe they don't have a journalists on the ground, but they do have people like this writing articles about the Middle East.
You do not have to have boots on the ground everywhere to report on it. Having experts weigh in can be enough.