I was an active user there for something like 16 or 17 years. I watched it grow up from when it was smaller than digg. It was my goto, a place where I felt at home, where there were great displays of cleverness and compassion. It has slowly decayed from its early greatness but pockets of it kept me going like tolkienfans and askhistorians. This latest thing feels like spez just took a shit on the entire concept of Reddit, declared war on it and I will never forgive him for that. He never understood the creation he participated in. You don't own Reddit. You can only be its custodian. Reddit is not a place. Its a community. Now that community needs to be here, which is a good thing because clearly any corporate ownership of a community will only end badly.
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Spez to step down and Reddit to charge reasonable rates for their API.
I understand that as a heavy Apollo user, I would not have generated any ad revenue for them. But I’d be happy to spend a few dollars a month to cover the costs.
But now that I’m getting used to Lemmy, I don’t want to give Reddit back any power they have lost. One man was able to ruin what was a world community.
11yr r*ddit refugee here.
Franky - nothing short of torching it and rebuilding it from scratch.
Firing Spez is the bare minimum, but there's no guarantee that the successor won't be another moron oinker. Federating won't be profitable (not that R*ddit ever was) and there's no way that they'll be making every contributor a shareholder.
There's no way I'll be going back, the system will fail again because it's predicated on a flawed ideology.
In no particular order:
- Remove API changes
- Remove u/Spez and his lovely executive board
- Make the site a non-profit project without ads, since most of the work is done by volunteers anyway
Oh, and for fucks sake: Remove that shit stain that is the official app from the universe.
Seconded,
Spez and the board are #1 on the list though. I said in a post on reddit the other day, if, in his own words, reddit "hasn't been profitable for years," then he and the rest of the board have absolutely zero business running the company!
Though I'm wary about the access to government assistance that non-profit status would open them up to... However, that does force them to be 100% transparent with their finances.
Seconded,
Spez and the board are #1 on the list though. I said in a post on reddit the other day, if, in his own words, reddit "hasn't been profitable for years," then he and the rest of the board have absolutely zero business running the company!
Though I'm wary about the access to government assistance that non-profit status would open them up to... However, that does force them to be 100% transparent with their finances.
Seconded,
Spez and the board are #1 on the list though. I said in a post on reddit the other day, if, in his own words, reddit "hasn't been profitable for years," then he and the rest of the board have absolutely zero business running the company!
Though I'm wary about the access to government assistance that non-profit status would open them up to... However, that does force them to be 100% transparent with their finances.
Not profitable just means their costs are higher than regular income. Their costs include paying themselves. Spez could have taken less money if he chose to. They were getting investment money to keep going at that rate though.
I don't see myself going back. The remaining trust I had in the platform was burned by spez and the executives.
But setting that aside, what they could do is:
- Fire spez.
- Come up with a real plan for 3rd party apps with reasonable timelines and costs. (Really late for this though.) Provide 3rd parties access to polls and other parts of the platform that are currently missing from the API.
- Actually deliver on moderator tools that they've promised for 8 years.
- Allow the porn subs to have API access again.
- Kick out the hegetsus shit or at least let users block them like they used to be able to do.
The things you mentioned, along with an apology and reparation to 3rd party apps so that they reopened again would keep reddit as a competitor.
I unsubbed from 218 subs about a month ago because of how little I was actually enjoying there, but the last 10 or so would be worth a visit.
I don't think there is anything. They've shown their true colours over the past few weeks and it has not been a pretty sight.
I see little point in wasting more of my time on something so toxic.
If the board stuffed spez into a locker and undid his stupid decisions (they cant just take his shares but they CAN fire him) I would go back just to gloat and laugh, but nothing will ever make it my only social media site.
i don't think there is anything that would get me back on their platform. the way they treated the people who helped make them a success was disgusting
In my view there’s nothing they could do.
Reddit is, in a sense, a parasocial company. It relies on the good will of its users and moderators to generate and moderate content for the site. Users then develop a sense of community and an identity around the site. The fiction of a social relationship then continues.
By adopting a policy that makes it difficult for third party applications to persist and by their behaviour in the intervening weeks, they’ve highlighted the economic nature of users/moderators relationships with the site.
People generally don’t like when a social relationship is treated as economic by one party, typically the other party is offended. It’s almost like if a friend came to your house for dinner and at the very end said thanks and slapped $10 on the table then left. Unless there was a clear discussion beforehand about chipping in for ingredients etc, it kind of cheapens the interaction.
So effectively, if my relationship with Reddit is now less social and more economic, then why would I contribute to them without compensation? This is especially true for moderators who collectively are estimated to provide $30 million per year in free labour for reddit.
I am, of course, aware that the relationship always was economic at its heart, and the site wouldn’t function if people had to be compensated for their interaction. But the illusion has been shattered and in my view can’t be repaired.
Replace the CEO
Free api -> Rif works again.
My list of demands in short
I think they made their bed, and I’m fully okay with them sleeping in it.
Even if they roll back everything and I’d be the only one not sleeping in it with them, I’d pass.
I’ve noticed this change has also been good for my overall mental health.
I didn't even notice it was dragging my mental health to shit I'm really glad the horny state of mind is not really a thing here! And I'm really happy this has proper nsfw filtering!
I don’t know. Nothing. It would feel gross walking back in there like nothing happened.
I’d have to see nothing short of a saint head the company. It would have to be a complete 180 in terms of management.
Even then, I wouldn’t feel good about Reddit anymore.
I'm done there. I want to try this new adventure that I think has the potential for a healthier underpinning. I'm going to try and help it grow, and maybe the architecture will catch on and get us a little further away from all the corporate controlled entities that show their true colors when they think they can make more serious money.
They should fire Huffman, enter into an honest conversation with 3PA developers on what's a reasonable price point and a reasonable timeline, back off on all the mod firing, and tell the users they were wrong and misguided. Even if they did all that, though, I don't see myself going back (and my account was 8 years old with 247K karma, pretty much all from comments, so I was an active user).
At this point, there is nothing they can do. Even reverting all the changes will never undo the damage Steve caused.
I won’t trust my content to a greedy Reddit without a complete revival for the API and sweeping removal of their entire administration.
In other words, I’ve left and not returning.
Honestly, I’d go back if the API pricing was reasonable and Apollo was revived. I’m quite fickle really!
Spez to step down and Reddit to charge reasonable rates for their API.
I understand that as a heavy Apollo user, I would not have generated any ad revenue for them. But I’d be happy to spend a few dollars a month to cover the costs.
But now that I’m getting used to Lemmy, I don’t want to give Reddit back any power they have lost. One man was able to ruin what was a world community.
I would say I wouldn't go back.
But realistically if no alternative becomes big enough, eventually with time people will start going back, and so would I.
I mainly used reddit for specific things and not much as a general time waster, so in the long term I'll have no choice if it stays as the main community for those things
Remove the current board, spez, and pretty much every executive. Roll back the decision, issue an apology to all users, undo the bans issued to protesting accounts (except awkward turtle), and kiss my hairy ass.
Resurrect Aaron Swartz and have him run it.
Nothing. This is something that all of Reddit’s owners wanted to see, which means the site is destined to go to shit. At least with Lemmy, it won’t be as hard to migrate our communities, just in case.
Immediate transfer of ownership to the workers.
I don't think anything is possible at this point. I'm done. My account will remain active but I'll probably not be back to Reddit.
They can't. Its time for the fediverse. This place can't be turned into that.
Nah. The fediverse and having our own control is awesome. Why should we go back?
Trust is pretty much impossible to earn, particularly after acting awful to the app developers. All the lies to and about the Apollo dev, the impossible deadlines, the high pricing. It's clear they just wanted to fuck them over.
Worst thing is, if they wanted the money, they could easily have asked for Gold for using 3rd party apps with your account, and developers would see no change, and 3rd party app users could choose if they wanted to go to main app for free or stick with better options.
But now they burned all the bridges.
At this point there's nothing they can do to regain my trust, and considering they want to go public, they can only get worse.
Public trading is the cancer of our financial world, nothing good ever comes out of it.
For me, there is nothing Reddit can do to regain my trust as this isn't the first time they've broken it. They haven't had my trust in many years, and now I'm just done with it. I'm back to using forums for the most part, and I'll stick around here.