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The Last Thing This Country Needed by Branko Marcetic

But there's one thing we can say for sure: political violence is wrong and does not lead to anything good. It is morally wrong to kill people, period, whether someone is your political opponent, a feuding neighbor who finally pushed you too far, a stranger in a hoodie who makes you feel unsafe, or anyone who has somehow wronged you along the way in life. Had the shooter’s bullet not missed the former president by an inch, it would not have been a successful assassination; there is no such thing. To resort to murder as a solution, in politics or anywhere else, is to declare defeat: the defeat of reason, of one’s humanity, of functional society, of politics itself.

Folks is Donald Trump basically Trayvon Martin

And as they process this incident, former president Trump’s supporters should likewise think long and hard about the increasingly violent rhetoric that’s come from their side of the political divide. North Carolina’s Trump-endorsed Republican candidate for governor just declared to a crowd that “some folks need killing.” The head of the Republican-backing Heritage Foundation recently went on TV to announce his side was carrying out “the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.” Several other Trump-supporting GOP politicians have histories of calling for the execution of their opponents.

This is just NPR for succdems

It’s easy to call out the other side. But in a political climate like this, the former president’s supporters should realize it means nothing if they won’t do the same to their own.

I'm sure pointing out the hypocrisy of fascists will change their minds. This always works, both historically and in the present day!

The Right Way to Politicize This by (noted hack and dipshit) Ben Burgis

The assassination attempt was instantly and correctly condemned by figures like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, just as it was by leading voices across the rest of the political spectrum. I have seen lots of people point out that, for example, more sympathy has been expressed for Donald Trump — a grotesque figure on any reasonable accounting — than for the tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians murdered in Gaza in the last nine months, and this is true, but it shouldn’t stop us from recognizing that these figures were correct to condemn the attempted assassination ... Violence in general should require a high threshold of moral justification, and nothing remotely good would come from this kind of assassination — which would, if anything, further radicalize Trump’s supporters and be used to justify waves of extreme political repression.

If you’re an anti-abortionist who calls abortion murder, you might still think this doesn’t justify the murderers of abortion doctors taking the law into their own hands. If you’re a left-liberal who believes Trump is literally a fascist you might point out that it hardly follows from this that shooting him would diminish the fascist threat. In all cases, I’d argue that the “stochastic terrorism” theory dangerously undermines free speech norms by blurring the line between speech and violence. Let’s not go down that road.

Just because we say Trump is a literal fascist doesn't mean anything besides i-voted is justified!

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The RNC convention starts today. Do they think any of it will be "whoa whoa hey now let's all be nice" after this?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

"If we take 'the high road' often enough, we win the presidency by default!"

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

Going for a civility victory

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Milwaukee is going to be a powder keg today.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago

I do agree that an assassination attempt was not needed.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Like who is this shit for? They could easily write something that isn't just scolding people for finding joy in life's little moments. What is it with the scolding?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

It's to try and make themselves "credible" in the eyes of the Democratic establishment

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago

Every publication for the last 9 Months: _____________ have a right to defend themselves.

This weekend: No, Not Like That!

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Its amazing how they all cover for eachother.

Didnt trump try to kill all the libs on Jan 6?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The libs then gave medals to the cops that colluded with trump and the mob to kill them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

They made a hero out of Michael Fanone, IIRC he was the one libs wanted to make Time's Person of the Year.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

socdems being class traitors and handmaids to fascism? im so shocked, how unusual 🙄

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

It kinda does point out to profound sickness in American political life though - not enough fascists getting shot.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There are good reasons against assassinations in many circumstances (adventurism, blowback, Great Man Theory, etc.), but to categorically reject them entirely? Really?

have-to-kill-this-guy and yamagami are such obvious instances where it's morally right and/or effective.

And the appeal to the conscience of Trump voters is absolutely pathetic. (sorry for the constant editing, can't help myself)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

That first article manages to point out how the US routinely murders people and starts wars abroad, then doesn't say anything about it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

I completely condemn the attempted assassination, while also condemning the attempted assassin.

Do better, America.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

If only there were options between celebrating and sending best wishes... Ah, well.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

jackoff bin

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

No such thing as a successful assassination? I’m sure the CIA begs to differ 🤨

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Political violence is good, actually hillary-assassin

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not like it's advisable to say "I hope someone follows up and succeeds where he failed" in print and put a big target on themselves.

Then again I don't think the ass-covering is going to make a whole lot of difference.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Killing's bad... m'kay?