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[–] [email protected] 1060 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (79 children)

People. We, the French, pulled a left-wing coalition out of our asses in less than a week and managed to "win" an election. You have months. Hope is permitted.

[–] [email protected] 128 points 4 months ago

It's very true. We've been brainwashed into a year long campaign mostly because it generates a lot of money for various parties but prior elections have proven it's mostly what happens in the last month that makes a difference.

Y'all are lucky you can make coalitions, though. This is more akin to your election if you only had centrists and far right running. Two party system and all that.

[–] [email protected] 99 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I think you'll start to see a lot more excitement in the next few weeks.

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[–] [email protected] 764 points 4 months ago (153 children)

I don't understand you people in this thread.

Ever since the debate, people have been calling for Joe Biden to step down from the presidential race and give the place to someone else.

Now I read the comments and everyone is criticizing and accusing the Democrats of not knowing what they're doing? Are you for real? They're doing EXACTLY what people have been asking for. They're doing EXACTLY what needs to be done if they want to win.

Fucking hell you guys, make up your fucking mind.

Sincerely,

A Canadian with severe anxiety over your next presidential election.

[–] [email protected] 274 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Well, to be fair, he should have stepped down a year ago, or at least 3 months ago. I vaguely remember him saying he was going to be a 1 term candidate in 2020.

Anyway, I respect Biden. I honestly think he was a better president than Obama, Bush, Trump and Clinton. Perhaps the best since Carter or JFK.

[–] [email protected] 119 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I vaguely remember him saying he was going to be a 1 term candidate in 2020.

You're correct, he did. Everyone forgot that for some reason. Note that this article is from 2019:

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129

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[–] [email protected] 136 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Those are not necessarily the same people.

But there is no good option here. The good option would have been to run a good candidate over a year ago. That time has obviously long since passed.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago (7 children)

The US "election cycle" is insane. You don't need to be running a candidate over a year before the election. 3 months is more than enough time to tell people who your candidate is and what they are running on, and you have more than 3 months.

Yes, it would have been better to announce earlier, but jesus christ he is too fucking old for this shit. Stepping back now is still better than pushing through.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 4 months ago

Many of the people involved in such agitation are not arguing in good faith. They simply want to attack the 'libs' at every opportunity, and reality be damned.

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[–] [email protected] 428 points 4 months ago (29 children)

I'll say just one thing:

Every single one of you assholes who wouldn't shut up about him stepping down since the dude missed the toilet bowl fifty years ago after a particularly wild night out better sure as fuck step up now that Old Joe has stepped down.

A sitting god damned President of the United States has stepped aside less than half a year before reelection. Make no mistake: The man swallowed his pride and ego HARD to make this decision. Let's honor that by creating a wall of votes so god. damned. thick. Riley Reid would gasp.

[–] [email protected] 101 points 4 months ago

Am one of those "assholes". Kamala was far from my favorite candidate in 2020, but I just donated a hefty (for me) chunk of change and will be volunteering. I didn't need perfection, just a feasible path to victory in November and now we have it. I'm so pumped right now, project 2025 no longer looks like an inevitability. LFG!

[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Riley Reid: Oh god you're going to make me vote

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[–] [email protected] 281 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (19 children)

I know people will say this is bad, a new campaign will be rushed, etc. But I think we all know Biden was an excuse for many not to vote, or worse, to vote for Trump. Withdrawing will be his legacy when we win, not his failing.

Thank you President Biden. You are a hero.

[–] [email protected] 139 points 4 months ago

Biden absolutely did the right thing and, perhaps, the most courageous thing.

Democrats would have coalesced around him if decided to keep going but we've been begging him to step aside. This is a key difference between Trump "fans" and Biden voters. We're not drawn to him as a personality.

Once a candidate is selected, I don't care who it is, we must support them because not doing so is voting for an end to democracy.

The fact that we're here is a travesty.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 months ago (8 children)

People have done more with less campaign time and he will go down as having listened and done what was requested of the people and party I honestly think this says a lot of good stuff about the democratic party and Biden once we get the spin right.

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[–] [email protected] 244 points 4 months ago (38 children)

The biggest hot-topic issue this election should have been abortion (and by extension, SCOTUS). But the discussion got side-tracked by all this talk of old age. The debate just reinforced the narrative and concern with Biden. They would have hammered him over and over, with Trump bragging about how quickly he recovered from an injury.

Now, we have:

  • A sittingVP with actual Whitehouse experience, who can take credit for all the economic policies under Biden. Also, a former Senator.
  • A prosecutor and former Attorney General vs a convicted felon.
  • The age issue disappears (in fact, it now becomes a liability against Trump).
  • A woman vs the guy who bragged about killing Roe v. Wade.
  • Future of SCOTUS.

If she just keeps talking about those topics non-stop, she'll do fine.

The only thing better would have been if Biden had resigned to let people see her in the actual role, but this works. She picks a mid-westerner as VP who can stand up to Vance and it's a whole new ballgame.

I'm actually stoked about this race again.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 4 months ago (24 children)

Unfortunately we also have:

  • A non-white candidate
  • A non-male candidate
  • A very sexist and racist electorate, who basically voted Trump in because they were so upset by the election of Barack Hussein Obama

It remains to be seen if the racists and sexists will prevail.

Having said that, this might energize women who are on the fence and want to see the first female president. It might energize black voters. It will almost certainly energize Indian voters, possibly even all South-Asian voters. It will definitely energize voters who were worried about the age of the candidates. And now, suddenly, Trump has to go on the defensive about his age.

As long as all the democrats fall in line and push for Kamala, it might go really well. If Hillary Clinton goes out and works for Kamala, it could energize the people who are still angry about her loss, and can now channel that into the new option for a first female president. If Biden campaigns for her, it could reassure all the people who just wanted some stability.

OTOH, if there is infighting, and people trying to take her down so that they can become the nominee, then that could be trouble too.

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[–] [email protected] 210 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Well guys... Have you seen Trump's mental decline since he last ran?! How old is he now?

Surely nobody would be dumb enough to vote someone that old into office now... That is... What we have been saying? Right guys?

[–] [email protected] 60 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Yeah, but they don't care. They don't want a competent and coherent president. They want Trump, because he hates the same people they hate, and he's not afraid to say so.

The teams don't play by the same rules and never have.

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[–] [email protected] 200 points 4 months ago (14 children)

That’s why I’m never gonna cancel my USA subscription. Your shows always have a crazy twist right before the season finale.

Jokes aside: Not a single person who even considers voting for Trump is worth any hassle. Their vote is a coin flip on fucking acid. The dems should try to animate the lazy nonvoting pricks.

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[–] [email protected] 170 points 4 months ago (82 children)

Jesus, I hope they can piece a campaign together in the few remaining months

[–] [email protected] 211 points 4 months ago (10 children)

It would be an awful lot easier than trying to salvage Biden’s image as it stands. If they do it right this should be super easy, but if they drag their heels on the changes necessary then it might be a lot harder.

This is BIG opportunity to rebrand and show what really matters to the party.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 4 months ago (13 children)

This is the perfect opportunity to do that! But I have absolutely zero faith in them actually doing that.

But maybe I’ve become jaded in my age with politics. Maybe they won’t just choose the worst possible option.

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[–] [email protected] 165 points 4 months ago (3 children)

For all of y'all anxiety-pilled people: this is great news. Biden was stuck in negative momentum because his health issues had been exposed and were not going to stop resulting in terrible headlines, which is a problem whoever comes next is not going to have, unless the delegates are somehow stupid enough to pull another dinosaur from below the rug.

More interestingly: now that Biden has pulled out because he's patently too old, as it was a concern for plenty of voters, this is a golden opportunity to put the focus on the other candidate whose age is a somewhat less obvious but still noticeable issue.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 4 months ago (3 children)

If 34 felonies, rape, insurrection, etc. Didn't sway people Im not sure age is the thing that'll turn them around.

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[–] [email protected] 153 points 4 months ago (24 children)

Oh boy, I can't wait for armchair pundits who were calling for Joe to step down to now turn around and start to nitpick Harris as if that wasn't going to be the obvious successor.

I'm 100% behind Harris or anyone who gets the Dem nom. Trump must be stopped.

This is still a battle for America's soul. Are we going to accept the first female president or the first convicted felon president? I sure hope the left turns out for this one, even if they aren't super stoked about it, because we might never recover from another Trump disaster.

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[–] [email protected] 119 points 4 months ago (2 children)

FINALLY...

Bad for the orange one, because the other side will get the whole media attention now.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

We can hope. If the media attention is "Democrats are in shambles 3 months before the election" it might not go so well. And Trump will definitely be making a lot of noise about that.

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 4 months ago (7 children)

This decision really raises my opinion of Biden so much. God damn do I love that man, he is truly a great person who dedicated his life to serve his country, literally. He honestly had a great term given the circumstances, and the only thing he probably should have done differently is to not run for reelection to begin with. But he seemed to genuinely believe he could win and stave off Trump. Now that that seemed impossible, he makes a very courageous decision that a lot of people probably wouldn't have made and puts the country ahead of his ego. Lots of respect from me, and I hope this reinvigorates the democratic base and makes the future brighter for all of us.

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 4 months ago (11 children)

I hope the Dems know what they're doing.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 months ago

Morgan Freeman: "They do not"

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I respect the decision and it means he goes out on top. It must have been a difficult decision, but he was one of the better presidents (I see an historian pol ranking him 14th best) and I believe history will remember him even better. I wish Joe Biden all the best in retirement.

Now comes the hard part. How do we avoid him having to say “I told you so”? How do we avoid repeating the disaster of the worst ranked President in history?

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 4 months ago (7 children)

This whole Biden stepping down vs Trump saga is a metaphor for the American baby boomer generation's approaches to their own reckoning of their old age and their reluctance to pass down the torch to another generation.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 4 months ago (57 children)

My money is still on Harris to be the final candidate. Get ready.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 4 months ago (10 children)

Well, the Trump team has been panicking in anticipation of this happening. They have already started launching law suits trying to stop it. The biggest scare they had was Biden's age and that may have just vaporised?

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Now that Biden doesn't care about reelection, what kind of "Official acts" might he do?

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 4 months ago (6 children)

It's really a good move. At this point any person under 70 could mop the floor with trump, he's still the worst possible candidate from any position, and the GOP has had zero time to poison whoever gets the nomination.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 months ago (13 children)

Yeah, fuck. I just lost $60 on a bet over this

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm not gonna pretend that I love Harris, but this does make me energized enough to try and convince others to vote for her.

I think the hard part is going to be getting Trump to agree to debate her, but she should be able to kick his ass and hit him hard on the issues that matter for this election, as opposed to doddling on a stage arguing about golf.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 months ago (10 children)

Trump gets attention for nearly getting assassinated.

Biden: Hold my Metamucil

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago

It was like pulling teeth for awhile, but Joe Biden deserves to be recognized for his humility. That's not common in politicians at that level.

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